It’s only the second time I’ve seen them on Pocket Dump, might be the beginning of trend…
I have a knuckle too but it’s in a desk drawer and never (as far as any of you know) in my pocket – thus would have no honest place in a Dump photo.
Does make me question the authenticity of this…
I kinda see including it as a declaration of his attitude, more than anything.
Think about it, if you use the knuckles, you’re at a serious disadvantage if the fight goes south and you suddenly decide you need the gun, unless your weak hand skills are strong…
I’m a lefty. How much reduction in muzzle flip might I see if the knuckles are on my right hand and I drop into a Jeff Cooper approved stance?
My weak hand skills are lousy. If I pick up my pistol with my left hand and put holes in paper, everything about that just screams *wrong* really loud to me, and the lack of my marksmanship reflects that on the target.
If you can throw a punch with each hand equally well, you’re a better fighter than me…
Yes!
I’m seriously thinking of risking felony charges for a useless item that can only really be used in an offensive rather than defensive manner (which proper self defense is, in many cases- throwing the first punch, to be fair) as oppose to something else.
And look at the cool finish I have on my designer knucks!
Depending on jurisdiction, knuckles are legal where I am
Is that dark earth tone cerakote? You gotta admire a man who can color coordinate. Does he stuff it all in his desert tan ‘murse’ (man-purse)?
apparently the first rule of fight club is not to talk about fight club – yet pack 3 knives, a gun, and a set of brass knuckles to ensure “you’re a man”.
Using brass knuckles in self defense would be treated as using a deadly weapon. If you’re in a situation where they’re justified, shoot the assailant instead of trying to earn cool points while breaking your own hand.
Brass knuckles have never been a defensive tool. Thugs, old school mafia gangsters, and wannabes are what I think of when I see them. I hope they aren’t becoming ‘cool’ to carry.
The carry gun is nice. All of this kit looks like quality actually. But I am way to practically minded to carry some of the stuff I see in these pocket dumps.
“Thugs, old school mafia gangsters, and wannabes are what I think of when I see them.”
Bingo. That’s why I think it’s a declaration of attitude…
That’s a sweet sheath for the SOCP.
Like others I question the carrying of knuckles as a business manager. As a bouncer, certain security jobs or a roughneck I could see the application but for most people I don’t. Generally I think a palm sap is a better choice. Less stigma, easier to carry and deploy than knuckles and you look like a badass when an open hand slap drops someone 1.5x your size because almost no one knows what a palm sap is these days.
That sheath is what comes with the Spartan version SOCP. The Benchmade sheath is much more convenient I EDC.
BREAKING!!!
MASS SHOOTING REPORTED IN NIGHTCLUB IN GERMANY, ATTACKER SLAIN BY POLICE!!!!
I’m throwing the BS flag on that one, as those things *never* happen *anywhere* but the USA.
/sarc…
I am pretty ignorant about small and modern knives, but $160 seem like a lot of money for a 3″ knife that doesn’t look at all comfortable to fight with. What can a $160 version of that knife do that a $40 version can’t?
What I’m gonna say here is a general rule, there are exceptions.
While there’s a price point that, once passed, there is no appreciable difference to the average user, a quality knife has a better blade in terms of the steel being used, the coating on the blade (if any) and in terms of the locking mechanism. There are some good ones in the $40-$60 range but generally the $100-$150 knives hold a better edge, have a burlier locking mechanism and have a much better hinge. Properly used and cared for they last a long time where cheap knives don’t. The better quality blade stock means it’s much less likely to have a crystalline flaw or something where the blade is likely to snap. Also, Benchmade, Spyderco etc have a warranty on their blades that exceeds most of the cheaper competition. It’s kind of like Harbor Freight vs. Milwaukee or Makita. They both do the same job but one lasts longer and is quite well made while the other is cheap but effective in the short term.
It really comes down to your application. Sometimes you want a cheap beater knife and sometimes you want a high quality pocket knife. Sometimes you end up carrying both.
When I look at this person’s EDC I assume they use the folder as a high quality tool for general use as a knife and the SOCP Dagger as the “weapon” since the SOCP has virtually no utility outside of stabbing. It makes a brutally effective stabbing weapon if you know how to use it but that’s really it’s only use. You probably wouldn’t open a box or cut an apple with it since the cutting edge on each side of the blade is maybe 1″ and, pardon the pun, the tip of that blade really is the “point” of the knife.
If it is a dagger that you only use in a fight why would edge retention be very important? It is only going to dull with use, no? I am all for paying a lot for that last little bit of utility, but I am not sure that for a fighting dagger you don’t reach maximum utility at a pretty low dollar amount. I suppose that if you are stabbing through modern soft armor a few times in a fight edge retention may become become an issue. I have a dagger and it is simply 5160 spring steel. I assumed that would hold it’s edges through at least one fight. I imagined no benefit other than corrosion resistance from a more expensive steel. Think I was wrong? (A sincere question.)
“If it is a dagger that you only use in a fight why would edge retention be very important?”
Well that’s a different question than your original question (which I assumed was more geared towards the folder).
You have to consider what the SOCP dagger is really meant for: military use. The dagger, along with it’s “normal” sheath is meant to be an up close and personal weapon of last resort for military applications. It’s not meant as a general service tool. It was designed specifically to be able to slide into MOLLE straps (preferably on the chest) due to the prevalence in Afghanistan and Iraq of soldiers and Marines being attacked with their own knife when carried in a normal belt type sheath. Some “trainee” comes up, grabs the person’s knife and attacks them with it. The SOCP is meant to keep the knife closer to the person and makes it harder for some Haji to grab a hold of yet the ring allows you to slip a finger in and start stabbing away if you need to.
In that regard, the use of 440C Stainless, a metal which will retain a fine edge and has decent corrosion resistance, is somewhat important because you may not be able to sharpen the knife between uses and it means the tip is pretty hard. This is a knife that’s meant to penetrate clothing, gear and people repeatedly before needing to be serviced (or replaced). While edge retention may not be super important in such an application not having the tip break off/rapidly become dull on contact with a metal clip, mag, canvas or a bit of bone is important because losing/rapidly dulling the tip would make your next stab that much less effective at actually getting into the person and causing damage.
It’s expensive because it’s a pretty darn specialized blade and it’s extremely well made. For EDC in a civilian context it probably doesn’t matter much but the knife really meant for service overseas or in a security type application and it’s over-engineered for that reason.
I wonder if they make tactical brass knuckles I can attach to a picatinny rail? Wouldn’t be very useful, but the reaction of certain gun control groups would be priceless. 😀
Clever. A knuckle-duster for when the 1911 jams… 🙂
1911’s never jam.
i’m calling total bullshit on this ‘everyday carry’
jmho
“And so if I run into trouble, I’ve got this gun. And if the gun runs empty or jams and I’m still in trouble, I’ve got this knife. And if that knife breaks or gets dull, I’ve got this other knife. And if that knife fails or gets stuck in something after I’ve thrown it, I’ve got these brass knuckles. And if the brass knuckles wear out from punching and I’m still not out of trouble, I’ll poke them with my pen.”
and if that doesn’t work I’ll just run away 😉
I found some brass knuckles some landscaper dropped outside my work. They’re actually kinda uncomfortable and I can potentially see hurting myself if I used it on anything and it shifted the wrong way.
Better off taking some empty handed courses somewhere or looking I to BJJ.
So ‘Knuckles’ are the new ‘Field Notes’, now?
It’s only the second time I’ve seen them on Pocket Dump, might be the beginning of trend…
I have a knuckle too but it’s in a desk drawer and never (as far as any of you know) in my pocket – thus would have no honest place in a Dump photo.
Does make me question the authenticity of this…
I kinda see including it as a declaration of his attitude, more than anything.
Think about it, if you use the knuckles, you’re at a serious disadvantage if the fight goes south and you suddenly decide you need the gun, unless your weak hand skills are strong…
I’m a lefty. How much reduction in muzzle flip might I see if the knuckles are on my right hand and I drop into a Jeff Cooper approved stance?
My weak hand skills are lousy. If I pick up my pistol with my left hand and put holes in paper, everything about that just screams *wrong* really loud to me, and the lack of my marksmanship reflects that on the target.
If you can throw a punch with each hand equally well, you’re a better fighter than me…
Yes!
I’m seriously thinking of risking felony charges for a useless item that can only really be used in an offensive rather than defensive manner (which proper self defense is, in many cases- throwing the first punch, to be fair) as oppose to something else.
And look at the cool finish I have on my designer knucks!
Depending on jurisdiction, knuckles are legal where I am
Is that dark earth tone cerakote? You gotta admire a man who can color coordinate. Does he stuff it all in his desert tan ‘murse’ (man-purse)?
apparently the first rule of fight club is not to talk about fight club – yet pack 3 knives, a gun, and a set of brass knuckles to ensure “you’re a man”.
Using brass knuckles in self defense would be treated as using a deadly weapon. If you’re in a situation where they’re justified, shoot the assailant instead of trying to earn cool points while breaking your own hand.
Brass knuckles have never been a defensive tool. Thugs, old school mafia gangsters, and wannabes are what I think of when I see them. I hope they aren’t becoming ‘cool’ to carry.
The carry gun is nice. All of this kit looks like quality actually. But I am way to practically minded to carry some of the stuff I see in these pocket dumps.
“Thugs, old school mafia gangsters, and wannabes are what I think of when I see them.”
Bingo. That’s why I think it’s a declaration of attitude…
That’s a sweet sheath for the SOCP.
Like others I question the carrying of knuckles as a business manager. As a bouncer, certain security jobs or a roughneck I could see the application but for most people I don’t. Generally I think a palm sap is a better choice. Less stigma, easier to carry and deploy than knuckles and you look like a badass when an open hand slap drops someone 1.5x your size because almost no one knows what a palm sap is these days.
That sheath is what comes with the Spartan version SOCP. The Benchmade sheath is much more convenient I EDC.
BREAKING!!!
MASS SHOOTING REPORTED IN NIGHTCLUB IN GERMANY, ATTACKER SLAIN BY POLICE!!!!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4743574/Gunman-opens-fire-nightclub-Germany-city-Konstanz.html
“MASS SHOOTING REPORTED IN NIGHTCLUB IN GERMANY…”
I’m throwing the BS flag on that one, as those things *never* happen *anywhere* but the USA.
/sarc…
I am pretty ignorant about small and modern knives, but $160 seem like a lot of money for a 3″ knife that doesn’t look at all comfortable to fight with. What can a $160 version of that knife do that a $40 version can’t?
What I’m gonna say here is a general rule, there are exceptions.
While there’s a price point that, once passed, there is no appreciable difference to the average user, a quality knife has a better blade in terms of the steel being used, the coating on the blade (if any) and in terms of the locking mechanism. There are some good ones in the $40-$60 range but generally the $100-$150 knives hold a better edge, have a burlier locking mechanism and have a much better hinge. Properly used and cared for they last a long time where cheap knives don’t. The better quality blade stock means it’s much less likely to have a crystalline flaw or something where the blade is likely to snap. Also, Benchmade, Spyderco etc have a warranty on their blades that exceeds most of the cheaper competition. It’s kind of like Harbor Freight vs. Milwaukee or Makita. They both do the same job but one lasts longer and is quite well made while the other is cheap but effective in the short term.
It really comes down to your application. Sometimes you want a cheap beater knife and sometimes you want a high quality pocket knife. Sometimes you end up carrying both.
When I look at this person’s EDC I assume they use the folder as a high quality tool for general use as a knife and the SOCP Dagger as the “weapon” since the SOCP has virtually no utility outside of stabbing. It makes a brutally effective stabbing weapon if you know how to use it but that’s really it’s only use. You probably wouldn’t open a box or cut an apple with it since the cutting edge on each side of the blade is maybe 1″ and, pardon the pun, the tip of that blade really is the “point” of the knife.
If it is a dagger that you only use in a fight why would edge retention be very important? It is only going to dull with use, no? I am all for paying a lot for that last little bit of utility, but I am not sure that for a fighting dagger you don’t reach maximum utility at a pretty low dollar amount. I suppose that if you are stabbing through modern soft armor a few times in a fight edge retention may become become an issue. I have a dagger and it is simply 5160 spring steel. I assumed that would hold it’s edges through at least one fight. I imagined no benefit other than corrosion resistance from a more expensive steel. Think I was wrong? (A sincere question.)
“If it is a dagger that you only use in a fight why would edge retention be very important?”
Well that’s a different question than your original question (which I assumed was more geared towards the folder).
You have to consider what the SOCP dagger is really meant for: military use. The dagger, along with it’s “normal” sheath is meant to be an up close and personal weapon of last resort for military applications. It’s not meant as a general service tool. It was designed specifically to be able to slide into MOLLE straps (preferably on the chest) due to the prevalence in Afghanistan and Iraq of soldiers and Marines being attacked with their own knife when carried in a normal belt type sheath. Some “trainee” comes up, grabs the person’s knife and attacks them with it. The SOCP is meant to keep the knife closer to the person and makes it harder for some Haji to grab a hold of yet the ring allows you to slip a finger in and start stabbing away if you need to.
In that regard, the use of 440C Stainless, a metal which will retain a fine edge and has decent corrosion resistance, is somewhat important because you may not be able to sharpen the knife between uses and it means the tip is pretty hard. This is a knife that’s meant to penetrate clothing, gear and people repeatedly before needing to be serviced (or replaced). While edge retention may not be super important in such an application not having the tip break off/rapidly become dull on contact with a metal clip, mag, canvas or a bit of bone is important because losing/rapidly dulling the tip would make your next stab that much less effective at actually getting into the person and causing damage.
It’s expensive because it’s a pretty darn specialized blade and it’s extremely well made. For EDC in a civilian context it probably doesn’t matter much but the knife really meant for service overseas or in a security type application and it’s over-engineered for that reason.
I wonder if they make tactical brass knuckles I can attach to a picatinny rail? Wouldn’t be very useful, but the reaction of certain gun control groups would be priceless. 😀
Clever. A knuckle-duster for when the 1911 jams… 🙂
1911’s never jam.
i’m calling total bullshit on this ‘everyday carry’
jmho
“And so if I run into trouble, I’ve got this gun. And if the gun runs empty or jams and I’m still in trouble, I’ve got this knife. And if that knife breaks or gets dull, I’ve got this other knife. And if that knife fails or gets stuck in something after I’ve thrown it, I’ve got these brass knuckles. And if the brass knuckles wear out from punching and I’m still not out of trouble, I’ll poke them with my pen.”
and if that doesn’t work I’ll just run away 😉
I found some brass knuckles some landscaper dropped outside my work. They’re actually kinda uncomfortable and I can potentially see hurting myself if I used it on anything and it shifted the wrong way.
Better off taking some empty handed courses somewhere or looking I to BJJ.
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