SIG SAUER, Inc., a leader in firearms, ammunition, electro-optics, airguns, suppressors and training, and a long time Diamond level sponsor has stepped up, once again, to support the Second Amendment Foundation.
SIG SAUER has donated an exclusive prize package for a fundraiser sweepstakes that includes a SIG SAUER P320 pistol, an exclusive tour inside SIG SAUER’s global headquarters and manufacturing facility in Newington, New Hampshire, and a personalized one-on-one full-day training course at SIG SAUER Academy. Proceeds from the sweepstakes, will help fund SAF’s nearly 50 active court cases across the nation.
“SIG SAUER is proud to be a high level sponsor for the Second Amendment Foundation and encourages other companies and individuals to join in that support,” said Tom Taylor, Chief Marketing Officer & Executive Vice President, Commercial Sales at SIG SAUER. “Someone had to step up to fight for the Second Amendment as it is under attack from so many fronts. SAF has been that leader.”
“SIG SAUER’s unprecedented commitment will continue allowing SAF to keep winning firearms freedom one lawsuit at a time,” said SAF founder and Executive Vice President Alan Gottlieb. “The company’s generous commitment is simply awesome. We are both honored and humbled to not only have this level of sponsorship from SIG SAUER, but also the continued and ongoing support for our efforts with additional fundraising opportunities such as this. It really underscores the importance of our legal and educational efforts to the firearms community.”
The Second Amendment Foundation has been fighting for nearly 50 years to defend, secure, and expand Second Amendment rights. SAF has litigated cases across the nation and the highest levels of the American judicial system, battling to win lasting and meaningful court decisions that protect liberty and freedom. Since its inception, SAF has been involved in over 250 legal cases.
For more than 250 years, SIG SAUER, Inc. has evolved, and thrived, by blending American ingenuity, German engineering, and Swiss precision. Today, SIG SAUER is synonymous with industry-leading quality and innovation which has made it the brand of choice amongst the U.S. Military, the global defense community, law enforcement, competitive shooters, hunters, and responsible citizens. Additionally, SIG SAUER is the premier provider of elite firearms instruction and tactical training at the SIG SAUER Academy. Headquartered in Newington, New Hampshire, SIG SAUER has over 3,200 employees across twelve locations in three states.
The SAF Sig Experience sweepstakes will run through May 31, 2023. For more information about the fundraiser sweepstakes click here. To find out more about how to support Second Amendment Foundation please contact Lauren Hill, VP of Development at [email protected]
Is it a curiosity that “the gun industry” does not combine to provide near unlimited funding for organizations fighting gun control?
Should we expect “the gun industry” to grasp the danger to their businesses that anti-gun billionaires represent?
Is it unreasonable to think “the gun industry” benefits from both scaring the 2A defenders into buying more guns and ammo, and protecting near limitless freedom of the RTKBA?
Does “the gun industry” deserve scorn for myopia regarding the danger to their bottom line if gun control advocates succeed in defending/increasing gun control laws?
The gun grabbers have near unlimited funding. In a war of attrition, dollars count heavily. The gun grabbers will eventually bankrupt the 2A defense organizations, unless “the gun industry” steps up protection of RTKBA.
You are assuming that the gun companies have that kind of margin. I suspect that their profit margins are quite slim. In order to be able to contribute they would have to raise their prices substantially I would guess. Whereas Bloomberg and the rest of the traitors don’t have to worry about that sort of thing.
” In order to be able to contribute they would have to raise their prices substantially I would guess.”
Individually, perhaps. Joined in a single industry combine, pooled resources could be substantial. Point being, is it not important to survival to be leaders in funding lawfare in protection of the market “the gun industry” depends upon?
“…we must, indeed, all hang together, or most assuredly we shall all hang separately.”
C’Mon Sam Man…Have you ever opened your piehole to Define Gun Control for anyone? Do you need me to send you a buck to do that? Your proposal is a request for Firearms Manufacturers and everyone else to unite and Defend The Second Amendment For You. When it comes to Defending The Second Amendment all I want to hear from firearm manufacturers et al is the History Confirmed Definition of Gun Control. What costs nothing to do isn’t happening…Is It?
A good point. The opposite side of that coin is that POTG are notoriously CHEAP! 😂 When the price goes up they go with cheaper options.
The money is not the problem. The problem is the uniformed public who views Gun Control as sugar and spice and everything nice when History Confirms Gun Control is an agenda Rooted in Racism and Genocide. In other words, Ignorance sells Gun Control. When ignorance goes so goes the positive view of Gun Control.
“In other words, Ignorance sells Gun Control. When ignorance goes so goes the positive view of Gun Control.”
Lawfare isn’t about the public, but the ability to stay in the game. “The gun industry” isn’t ignorant, but possibly fatally short-sighted.
Sam you are…1) I refer you to my May 19, 2023 At 12:59 reply to you.
2) Furthermore…It takes an ignorant uniformed public to contribute to anything Gun Control. Instead of trying to ramp up donations for the same old same old defense of The 2A how about opening your piehole to Define Gun Control for the public and bring down donations to Gun Control?
How much power does the gun lobby really have?
“The gun lobby is not a single organization, but rather a collection of advocacy groups and corporations that invest in lobbying the government against firearm restrictions.”
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/how-much-power-does-the-gun-lobby-really-have
They can also have a huge impact by blacklisting cities/states that pass these laws. LE endorsements count in politics, and they’re not going to endorse the politician that cut off their supply of guns, ammo, body armor, etc.
If just Glock, S&W, and SIG agreed to blacklist any state or municipality that passed gun control it would have a huge impact.
“If just Glock, S&W, and SIG agreed to blacklist any state or municipality that passed gun control it would have a huge impact.”
But, upon whom?
For simplification, half the states are anti-gun. Withholding sales in those states achieves the goal of those states. And, Glock, S&W, and SIG are not keen on slashing sales/profits. Slashing sales/profits would hurt the ability to support 2A support organizations carrying the fight in the courts.
Some years ago, Barrett decided to refuse to support and maintain their rifles sold to police in Californication. Cali police seem not to have noticed.
We don’t need “statements”, or moral victories (which is simply putting lipstick on a loss). We need staying power in the courts.
Would a blacklist of a state or minicipality also harm the POTG living in those places while contributing to the possible closure of gun stores? Seems tearing their, anti gunners, ass up in court is the best path leading to victory for POTG.
“half the states”?….don’t think there are that many blue ones
“If just Glock, S&W, and SIG agreed to blacklist any state or municipality that passed gun control it would have a huge impact.”
Its “huge impact” would be handing a gold mine to any company willing to cross the line.
Isn’t that the role of the NSSF?
“Isn’t that the role of the NSSF?”
The impact of the manufacturers is too diluted in NSSF (likely a means of letting gun owners, rather than manufacturers take the political heat). The message of NSSF is associated with firearm usage for other than self-defense, and/or the actual purpose of the Second Amendment.
Sam, the NSSF might disagree; they’re also the group that spent the most money on lobbying in 2021. (per the Examiner article linked earlier)
NSSF Policy Fact Sheets and Backgrounders:
Undetectable Firearms (Ghost Guns)
USML to CCL Transition (Export Control Reform)
Microstamping
Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act
Financial Discrimination Against the Firearm Industry
Universal Background Checks
Bullet Serialization
Online Firearm Sales
Firearms Tracing
Firearm and Ammunition Industry Economic Impact Report
Sam, my comment went to moderation. We’ll see if it shows up in a few hours, long after we’ve conversed about other subjects and this one becomes stale.
It is an interesting thought of what would be the result of actually winning and largely securing 2nd amendment rights to be nigh unassailable. Would there be the same demand and profits for relatively inexpensive models? Would various advocacy groups still have the fundraising to function? Would money and political influence flow to candidates for pledging to uphold one basis liberty while largely ignoring the others? Sam if that was meant to be a thought provoking hypothetical great job and even if not an interesting thought experiment where I would imagine that at some level victory is not desired by many on our side.
“It is an interesting thought of what would be the result of actually winning and largely securing 2nd amendment rights to be nigh unassailable.”
Indeed. Americans like to solve a problem, and move on; the danger of thinking the 2A matter is resolved is significant.
The pro-2A movement/message/meme/defenders are in complete disarray as it stands. Win a large victory over the anti-American Left, and the interest in protecting the Second Amendment will wane quickly.
Ironically I could see the NRA benefitting from such an outcome as litigation for rights would no longer be a focus for many gun owners vs safety instruction and keeping ranges open.
“Is it a curiosity that “the gun industry” does not combine to provide near unlimited funding for organizations fighting gun control?”
I think it’s a bit like major industry (sans Tech) and big wig CEOs donating to both sides in political races, contests, etc. There is fear, actual or imagined, that the winning side, if it was not placated with funding, will run roughshod over those who didn’t contribute. Before becoming a candidate, DJT, for example, was always good for real money for both sides, realizing that there are palms out there necessary to grease. NSSF’s gun lock and background check support could be examples of trying to have it both ways, even if only for a little bit.
Of course, for the firearms industry, it should be a no-f’ing brainer that the Left will work against them whether or not they would help in “the cause”.
“Of course, for the firearms industry, it should be a no-f’ing brainer that the Left will work against them whether or not they would help in “the cause”.”
Zackly.
The “gun industry” is NOT that large in the scale of corp American. It is a tiny fraction, for example, of the Auto (woke leftist Obiden as skissing) industry. or the Airline, or Railroad or ______.
“The “gun industry” is NOT that large in the scale of corp American.”
Thinking ~$80b isn’t insignificant. Every $ counts.
@Debbie W.
“When it comes to Defending The Second Amendment all I want to hear from firearm manufacturers et al is the History Confirmed Definition of Gun Control.”
Unless, and until gun control is presented in the courts as a pure 1968 civil rights case, the history of gun control has no place in protecting and restoring the Second Amendment.
Note: For the gun grabbers, a little racism is perfectly appropriate if it fosters whatever progressive meme is the movement de jour.
Sam you are…”Unless, and until gun control is presented in the courts as a pure 1968 civil rights case, the history of gun control has no place in protecting and restoring the Second Amendment.”
A 1968 courtroom or any other courtroom is not required to Define Gun Control anymore that a courtroom is required to Define a noose or a swastika or any other symbol of Racism and Genocide. History Confirms Gun Control played a key roll in such atrocities…Yes or No?
Let’s cut the chase…Even though you have been creative in saying so without saying so…Just say you are not man enough to open your piehole and Define Gun Control.
“History Confirms Gun Control played a key roll in such atrocities…Yes or No?”
Yes. And completely irrelevant in law regarding the Second Amendment. The issue in court is not motivation, but process and results.
Gun control as racism is also irrelevant in politics. The enemies of constitutionally protected rights care little about racism, if it prospers their movement; their minds cannot be changed, and convinced to oppose gun control just because its history is racist; no more than the vast majority of voters refuse to reject the Dim party because it too is based in racism.
If the racism underpinning the Dims doesn’t destroy their party, advertising the racism underpinning gun control is no more persuasive.
Win at law, squash gun laws in the courts, and motivation becomes irrelevant; Second Amendment is for everyone.
“…how about opening your piehole to Define Gun Control for the public and bring down donations to Gun Control?”
Who do you think will be influenced? The ignorant public? Those people are ignorant by choice, not from lack of truth. The unicorn “undecideds” are not sufficient in number to dramatically, and definitively alter the conflict one way or another.
The battle is not about “winning hearts and minds”, but about winning at law. Win at law, and the history of gun control is irrelevant; a win at law is a win for everyone, regardless of history.
Instead of just stopping on looking like a zipped lipped do it for me buffoon you find another creative way for you to say you are not man enough to open your piehole and Define Gun Control.
If you cannot hear Gun Control zealots applauding you for providing cover for the History of Gun Control especially when you were advised to do otherwise you need to have your head examined and your ears checked.
@Man with no name
“How much power does the gun lobby really have?”
Win in court, and lobbying becomes much less important, or even irrelevant.
Sam, I think that my moderated comment has to do with money spent to influence public policy.
And NSSF, SAF, NRA and GOA all spend money on lawfare.
Am I missing your point?
“And NSSF, SAF, NRA and GOA all spend money on lawfare. Am I missing your point?”
Yes, they do spend money. But that money is very limited. Manufacturers of arms and ammo are “evergreen” sources of money, and do not depend on the whims of donors. The very “lives” of manufacturers is predicated on survival of the Second Amendment.
Manufacturers have the most skin in the game of all; they should act like it, and be the powerhouses of funding for 2A lawfare. The grabbers have an array of billionaires; the defenders of 2A do not.
@Hush
“Would a blacklist of a state or minicipality also harm the POTG living in those places while contributing to the possible closure of gun stores?”
Yes, which would be immensely helpful to the anti-gun mafia; doing the work for them.
Sam you are…”Yes, which would be immensely helpful to the anti-gun mafia; doing the work for them.”
I hate to rain on your parade again but your concocted barriers and your barking at Defining Gun Control for the public proves you are immensely helpful to the anti-gun mafia…sad.
While you’re at it providing cover for Gun Control rot why not provide cover for slavery, segregation, the kkk, Jim Crow, lynching, Eugenics and all the other atrocities attributed to the Gun Control democRat Party? Is defining Gun Control going too far out on a limb for you?
Here’s Chip Roy echoing my sentiments…No courtroom required, no ifs, ands or butts, no BS, etc…
https://youtu.be/WlItbl9SOAg
Has Rep. Roy introduced any pro-gun legislation in the House during this session? (he asked, multiple times … )
Answer: no.
Has he introduced or co-sponsored any bills defining Gun Control by its history of rot and racism? No.
Looks like Rep. Roy talks the talk, but doesn’t walk the walk.
Is that all that you want, Debbie? People who talk and don’t walk?
— https://www.congress.gov/member/chip-roy/R000614?q={“sponsorship”:”sponsored”,”congress”:118,”type”:”bills”}
@Man with no name
“Sam, the NSSF might disagree; they’re also the group that spent the most money on lobbying in 2021.”
Lobbying is about influencing legislation. Win at court, and legislation is unnecessary. Lobbying only prolongs the game. Favorable court decisions remove the need to beg legislators to not make things worse. More emphasis on winning, less on mitigating.
@SAFEupstateFML May 19, 2023 At 13:53
“Ironically I could see the NRA benefitting from such an outcome as litigation for rights would no longer be a focus for many gun owners vs safety instruction and keeping ranges open.”
If only.
Lol didn’t say that’s where the donations would end up but I could see an increased interest.
@MICHAEL A CROGNALE
“A good point. The opposite side of that coin is that POTG are notoriously CHEAP! 😂 When the price goes up they go with cheaper options.”
A notable characteristic of “conservatives”. The Left has a well oiled machine of activists; “conservatives” like to talk political philosophy, public policies, and read think-tank papers. They are heavily splintered over principles, rather than organized for winning (“conservatives” are proud to lose elections).
https://thefederalist.com/2023/05/19/republicans-should-not-bet-on-ballot-harvesting/
@frank speak
“half the states”?….don’t think there are that many blue ones”
This source (FWIW) https://www.gkgigs.com/list-of-blue-states-and-red-states/
indicates 50-50; others slightly different. Essentially an even split. As a surrogate, the “constitutional” carry split is 50-50.
What Chaps my A$$ is that we voluntarily Contribute to Fight Unconstitutional Legislation, yet at the same time we pay for these F***ing Sleazeball Legislators to defend their Unconstitutional Legislation, and we have No Choice in the matter.
We really are back to the same point we were at in 1776, of Taxation Without Representation.
I really want to see a Law that makes the Legislature pay for their F**kuppery out of Their Pockets and not mine
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