Hey Ted, conceal and open carry are state laws that I have jurisdiction over. If you’re really interested in helping curb gun violence, I’d welcome you to join our next police academy class. https://t.co/Odf9fNbO2W https://t.co/17ca1dYpLc
— Governor Michelle Lujan Grisham (@GovMLG) September 10, 2023
“I have emergency powers,” Grisham told The New York Times. “Gun violence is an epidemic. Therefore, it’s an emergency.” During the press conference, she also indicated that she probably would extend the order, which she said would be lifted only if “the epidemic” of gun violence ended after 30 days, adding, “I bet it’s not over in 30 days.”
Historically, George Mason law professor Robert Leider told the Times, orders like this one have been issued “when you have public disorders or other states of emergency, but most states of emergency usually involve something more acute.” Leider was skeptical that the ban would be upheld in court, saying, “I’m not aware of any precedent for this just for general criminal wrongdoing.”
State Reps. Stefani Lord (R–Sandia Park) and John Block (R–Alamogordo) on Saturday said Grisham’s order was grounds for impeachment. “This emergency order violates the Governor’s oath to protect and defend the rights of New Mexicans,” they said in a press release. “The legislature has a duty to intervene when the government is overstepping its boundaries, and Governor Grisham’s order and comments disqualify her from continuing her tenure as Governor.” Lord called the order “an abhorrent attempt at imposing a radical, progressive agenda on an unwilling populace.”
— Jacob Sullum in New Mexico’s Governor Suspends the Right To Bear Arms, Saying the Second Amendment Is Not ‘Absolute’
m, ftb.
it’s an emergency because I say it’s an emergency…..right….
On this 9/11 day let us not forget April 19,1775. When the shot heard ’round the world woke up a budding nation against a tyrannical oppressor. Beware Dimscum “governor’s”🙄😕.
King George declared emergency powers to confesscate powder and lead.
Not only Repubs criticizing her, but (gasp!) Democrats from California:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/liberals-turn-new-mexico-governor-gun-suspension-violates-us-constitution
Yes, yes, I know…it’s a Fox News link. I checked the site this morning for kicks, and saw the story, so I read it. Glad I did. Rep Ted Lieu (D) actually stated that a Governor cannot violate the Federal Constitution, which is certainly true, but then it raises eyebrows to Spock “that’s illogical!” levels considering it’s coming from a member of the Party that has been stomping on the USC and 2A for years now.
I hope Lieu’s comment comes around to bite Newsom on the kiester the next time the Dems here try to pass their next spate of gun control.
Why do people feel that they need to pay that penance? “I know, it’s Fox News.” If you’re not getting your news from other sources because they bury any story going against their ideological template, then you need to go SOMEWHERE for your news. No apologies.
I’ve watched Fox decline from a trusted news source several years ago to just another mouthpiece today. I sometimes look at the site for general news articles, but I’ve lost all respect for pretty much everyone there (except Carlson, but they booted him). Sean Hannity, Bill O’Reilly, Nancy Grace, Gutfeld, etc…they started out as relatively reliable conservative pundits many years ago, but nearly everyone (even the venerable Rush Limbaugh, whom I began following as early as 1992) leaves their conservative roots behind and becomes “mainstream” once they reach a level of popularity that shifts their allegiance from a moral compass to their advertisers.
So, yeah…a bit of an apology for pointing people here to Fox News. I don’t support that institution so much anymore.
Limbaugh was great opposition when the Clintons were in power. But when the Republicans came back and then completely failed to change anything he simply would carry water for those RINOs and NeoCons who kept expanding the Federal Government just as much as the big-state liberals did.
The guy was a total hypocrite himself. Big war on drugs guy who was popping his own purloined pain pills like they were candy. That’s what blew his hearing out since that is a typical issue with chronic poppers.
{Limbaugh}
“The guy was a total hypocrite himself.”
Would you like some cheese and crackers to go with your pathetic whine? 😉
There’s no need to lie, Nikita.
“…in the early 2000s, Limbaugh was diagnosed with a rare autoimmune condition called Autoimmune Inner Ear Disease (AIED). By 2001, Limbaugh was essentially deaf despite the best efforts of medication therapy and other treatments.
“Limbaugh’s ear condition is one that is quite rare and one that many people know very little about.” — https://audienhearing.com/blogs/common-questions/rush-limbaugh-cochlear-implant
The democrats, the liberals and the left are only criticizing her, because she “has jumped the gun.” They want to do the same thing. They just think it’s too early to do a gun grab at this level. And at this time.
Unfortunately for them, but very fortunately for us. She has exposed their true intentions to the nation. From now on, the gun control crowd can never say, they can never deny, that their ultimate goal, is to order the confiscation of private property. Without justification and without compensation.
For decades now, we have been saying the ultimate goal was to confiscate our guns. And now we have ultimate proof from their own mouth about it.
We’ve had it since Dianne Feinstein publicly said it in her famous interview back in the ’90s.
“We’ve had it since Dianne Feinstein publicly said it in her famous interview back in the ’90s.”
“If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an out right ban, picking up every one of them….Mr. and Mrs. America, turn them all in. I would have done it. I could not do that. The votes weren’t here,”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffI-tWh37UY
This is on a whole new level when a governor does it. Bypassing the legislative branch.
But if she gets reelected the state of NM is done.
Hey, Guv:
“When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.”
Duh……
I know.
You and I think of that as a warning. They think of it as a goal to be applied to us.
On the flip side, I have seen some of the damage that greedy lawbreakers and psychopathic hate-filled people have wrought on the weak and unprotected. As a Christian, I am a bit embarrassed to admit that I see neither remorse in their actions, nor redemption in their futures.
I also would argue that they have effectively “Voted themselves OFF of the Island”.
Their allowance to remain free to damage our society and even their right to life has been put into question.
And this by their own selfish and seemingly endless predatory need to damage others.
In other words “Enough is enough”.
It comes to a point where their actions MUST be stopped.
It is necessary for the health of society to expel them.
Law abiding people have not stopped carrying their firearms.
Law abiding citizens have every right to not obey this very unconstitutional act of tyranny by Grisham. The order is not law, nor can the governor create law by executive order, nor is it permitted by NM state or federal law that the governor can ‘suspend’ or do away with U.S. constitutional rights, under a ‘public health emergency’ order.
The writ of habeas corpus, as specified in Article I, section 9, of the U.S. Constitution is the only provision of the Constitution which may be suspended and even then, only in “cases of rebellion or invasion.”
There is no ‘public health emergency’ exemption to the U.S. Constitution or the NM constitution or in federal or NM state law, or in ‘analogous’ law at the founding or before or even after, that allows a state governor to suspend constitutional rights by issuing an order under ‘public health emergency’, heck, even the POTUS can’t do that.
Right or wrong, there is law for this in NM.
NM Stat § 12-10-17 (2021)
“Upon request of the mayor of a municipality or the sheriff of a county or a majority of the members of the governing body of the municipality or county having jurisdiction and after finding that a public disorder, disaster or emergency which affects life or property exists in the state, the governor may proclaim a state of emergency in the area affected. The proclamation becomes effective immediately upon its signing by the governor, but the governor shall give public notice of its contents through the public press and other news media.”
NM Stat § 12-10-18 (2021)
“A. During the existence of a state of emergency, the governor may, by proclamation, prohibit:
(1) any person being on the public streets, in the public parks or at any other public place during the hours proclaimed by the governor to be a period of curfew;
(2) any designated number of persons from assembling or gathering on the public streets, public parks or other open areas, either public or private, or in any public building;
(3) the manufacture, transfer, use, possession or transportation of any device or object designed to explode or produce uncontained combustion;
(4) the transportation, possession or use of combustible, flammable or explosive materials in a glass or uncapped container of any kind except in connection with the normal operation of motor vehicles, normal home use or legitimate commercial use;
(5) the possession of firearms or any other deadly weapon by a person in any place other than his place of residence or business, except for peace officers;
(6) the sale, purchase or dispensing of alcoholic beverages or other commodities or goods designated by the governor;
(7) the use of certain streets or highways by the public; and
(8) other activities the governor reasonably believes should be prohibited to help maintain life, property or the public peace.
B. Any proclamation issued under this section becomes effective immediately upon its signing by the governor, but the governor shall give public notice of its contents through the public press and other news media. The restrictions may be imposed during times, upon conditions, with exceptions and in areas of the state designated by proclamation of the governor from time to time.”
From the standpoint of the legislation itself, the only open questions are whether “gun violence” rises to the level of public disorder, and whether there was a request by any local officials. I found no definition of “public disorder.” Whether this law violates the U.S. Constitution is a different question. There federal laws which grant the President similar emergency powers, on a nationwide scale.
They are testing the waters.
No there isn’t a law for this in NM.
No ‘executive order’ by any governor or county or city, emergency order or not, can suspend constitutional rights. She might have the authority to say ‘permits are suspended’ because permits are issued by the state but in doing so she suspended a constitutional right which she does not have the authority to do. So no, no law exists in NM that allows a constitutional right to be suspended.
You can say that it is unconstitutional, and I would agree, but you cannot yet say it isn’t there. It must be tested and rejected by a court, but before that happens, it is still part of NM state law.
https://nmonesource.com/nmos/nmsa/en/item/4374/index.do#!fragment/zoupio-_Toc139029705/BQCwhgziBcwMYgK4DsDWszIQewE4BUBTADwBdoAvbRABwEtsBaAfX2zgEYBmATgAYATDwDsfAKwBKADTJspQhACKiQrgCe0AOSapEQmFwJlqjdt37DIAMp5SAIQ0AlAKIAZZwDUAggDkAws5SpGAARtCk7BISQA
Nero, actually, you were looking at the “Riot Control Response Act” which is different from the “Public Health Emergency Response Act” that she invoked. She has no authority to ban firearms in NM law under the Public Health Emergency Response Act nor under the All Hazards Response Act.
Freedom 🇺🇸🥰 555
Are you sure she’s not from New Jersey? She sounds like a New Jersey politician. I’m terrified that our Govenor Phil Murphy will follow her example (just like he follows the bad examples of New York and Commiefornia when it comes to gun-control laws).
I replied to Governor Gun-Grabber Grisham on Twitter with the following two tweets:
1) That’s not the way rights work.
Next you’ll claim you “have jurisdiction over” libel laws, so you can shut down newspapers that criticize you, arrest reporters who criticize you, ban books you don’t like, shut down churches, synagogues, and mosques whose ministers criticize you.
2) You told the NY Times, “I have emergency powers. Gun violence is an epidemic. Therefore, it’s an emergency.”
Imagine if you’d said, “I have emergency powers. Islamic terrorism is an epidemic. Therefore, it’s an emergency. I’m shutting down mosques and rounding up all Muslims.”
It’ll never happen in NJ because the 1300 or so people who’ve been granted a carry permit are all (D) donors.
The Dems and Commies (but I repeat myself) are all worked up over an unarmed “insurrection” on Jan. 6, but Grisham has performed an actual insurrection – placing law enforcement personnel on a track to overthrow a substantial part of the USConstitution. Not only should she be prosecuted for federal and state civil rights violations, but she should also be prosecuted by the Feds for insurrection.
I have been burgled six times in the past two years in our Valhalla By The Sea.
Pretty much since the border was opened.
Again, two nights ago ABS and PVC pipe fittings were stolen. We have exhausted our savings paying for these crimes.
Those who caused this situation are psychotic, deranged and criminally liable.
When does justice favor anyone but the well-connected well-heeled elite?
Only in a Superman movie…not here.
“No constitutional right, in my view, including my oath, is intended to be absolute…”
Sic semper tyrannis…
Even if not “absolute” (which is debatable), it doesn’t mean rights can be snatched on a whim. The governor, herself, has said that this will not impact the problem.
Your rights are clearly in the hands of Gun Control zealots who do not think twice about stooping to use the acts of criminals against you. It is what happens when Gun Control zealots know full well the majority of the public could not Define Gun Control by its History if their lives depended on it.
Until the public reacts to Gun Control in the manner the public reacts to seeing Gun Control’s sidekick Mr. Noose you can expect Gun Control to march on.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=ZFEz3Bt9hCw&feature=shared
this makes me wish .40 had posted this instead.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnkPhK7tmhw
me? post what?
https://www.dailyfetched.com/joy-reid-agrees-christianity-is-a-justification-for-slavery-and-genocide/
And Carthage must be destroyed.
We have not tarred and feathered politicians in a long time, and it shows…
NO, she most certaing does not have “emergency” powers that over ride the constitution in Anyway! The only emergency powers she/it has is to stop and changed its drawers when she craps her pants.
“Gun violence is an epidemic. Therefore, it’s an emergency.”
She’s almost as stupid as TTAG’s shrill harridan, the brain-damaged little debbie.
Gun violence today one-half as bad as it was about 30 years ago, when we had 300 million guns in circulation.
Now, with 400 million out there, ‘gun violence’ is half as bad as the early 1990s… 🙂
Good luck with impeachment. NM is a diehard democrat state. 45 to 25 in the House of Representatives
Why not deny the rights of thousands or millions over a criminal act? They shut the world down over a cold and plan to wipe out two-thirds of the planets population because the weather might be slightly off of ‘normal’ whatever normal is supposed to be.
“plan to wipe out two-thirds of the planets population”
Am I allowed to add names to the list?
“Hey Ted, conceal and open carry are state laws that I have jurisdiction over. ”
Confessing your intent is tyranny only makes you look worse. The state legislature has authority over those for ‘change’ including ‘suspension’, not you.
Evidently Grisham doesn’t care what the law or the constitution is.
The only authority Grisham has over laws in New Mexico is to either veto or not, or sign into law, laws passed by the state legislature and she has authority to enforce the law enacted by the legislature. She does not have the authority over the law she claims she does, and she certainly does not have an ’emergency’ power to suspend constitutional rights under a ‘public health emergency’ (no state governor does), yet another example of her tyranny – usurping the power of the state legislature.
Whats Grisham’s next trick?
There is a very good reason this can not stand, to allow it to stand means a state will be able to ‘suspend’ any constitutional right.
So whats Grisham’s next trick under a ‘public health’ excuse..
“People are afraid to go out in public ’cause crime. So I am suspending the right to peacefully assemble.”
“People are afraid to go out in public ’cause crime prompted by hate speech. So I am suspending the right to free speech”
“People are afraid to go out in public ’cause crime. So I am suspending the right to be free from unwarranted searches so police can come in and search any time just in case there might be something illegal.”
“I have jurisdiction over these cause I say so … oh that pesky legislature and constitution and law, never mind those because I am your Queen now so bend the knee and bow before me.”
Yeah, our asshole former teacher – governor Walz did the same crap with the “covid emergency orders” here in Mn. If you were a gay bar, or teachers union, or a mayor towing the line, etc. you were catered to. Churches, gun ranges, restaurants, etc., sorry, I can’t hear you. You wouldn’t believe what they pissed away an 18 Billion dollar surplus, plus another six Billion in new spending on !! C.W. 3.0 should kick off here at the Mn. Capital Building, and sooner rather than later.
Any LEO arresting people under this governor’s proclamation faces charges for violation of Title 18, U.S.C., Section 242 – Deprivation of Rights Under Color of Law. I hope some LEO;s understand their obligations and limits to their authority.
And the Constitution sings.
‘Gonna catch a freight train
Down at the station, Lord
I don’t care where it goes
Gonna climb a mountain
The highest mountain, Lord
Jump off ain’t nobody gonna know
Cant you see
Oh cant you see
What that woman been doing to me.’
So by her own admission, her action is likely to have no impact on the ‘epidemic’ she cites. Then she’s going to extend it again? She’s a bright one.
Xi Jinping has found another willing lackey.
“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be “cured” against one’s will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals.”
― C.S. Lewis
Sorry to grind on this, but it is always time to “Go to MOTIVE”. Motive always predicates actions. (Precedes snd Predicts)
When a hate-filled male fantasizes about cutting off a female’s breasts, he is, and should be, immediately arrested and institutionalized.
If he carries out his mentally corrupt “need to make a difference” it is society’s duty to find, arrest and punish him. Quickly!
When a hate/filled female has been brainwashed into believing that “all guns are penises” she is on the same plane as the male.
Cutting OFF the male’s right to possess a firearm is symbolically cutting off his penis.
When does this psychotic behavior beg the attention of psychiatrists to proclaim the psychosis and law enforcement to arrest and institutionalize the psychotic? The motive is the same in either case. Hate.
These motives are not hundreds of years in the past, they exist today.
Yes, I really want an answer!
According to NM law, hasn’t she made herself liable for any harm to any permit holder who is harmed while obeying this edict?
If she were a normal person yes, but she’s a democrat governor. They do whatever it is they want to do with no repercussions.
The Most Important Second Amendment Battle…Right Now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgbTSgZQQcM
Bernalillo County sheriff rejects gun violence health order
https://www.koat.com/article/bernalillo-county-sheriff-gun-health-order/45082887#
So if the governor committed murder on video, who would have the power to arrest her? Same for an order prohibiting some citizens from voting or suspending an election so she could stay in power?
Seems to me that any Sheriff or other law enforcement agency in the state could arrest her for “Deprivation Of Rights Under Color Of Law” which although a Federal Crime, it could be argued that the Federal Government is ignoring the enforcement of this law, for purely political reasons and a Law Enforcement Agency could ask a federal judge to allow them to prosecute in federal court.
“Section 242 of Title 18 makes it a crime for a person acting under color of any law to willfully deprive a person of a right or privilege protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States.”
Depending on the outcome of the enforcement, penalties range from not less than 1 year in prison to life in prison.
Fingers crossed that someone does the right thing here. Otherwise, anyone impacted can seek redress in Federal Civil Court for any illegal infringements. New Mexico has a similar Civil remedy, but it holds the state and it’s subdivision civilly liable, not the individual committing the act.
The Governor is 100% guilty based on her actions and public statements and so would any law enforcement officer enforcing her dictate.
not that it means a whole lot for 2024
but did she
along with bidens antics the last 3 years
just put new mexico in play
Is it so far off the mark to label burning down a police station Vigilanteism?
Shouldn’t trampling the Constitution (Under color of authority) because you hate gun owners be punishable as a HATE CRIME?
And if Vigilanteism has been “approved” as a God-Given Right to “Friends Of The DOJ”, then it becomes a protected right for all.
The only non-peaceful person to get out of hand on 6JAN was a cop so scared of a girl that he whipped it out and shot her. I am not aware of any drug use study of him, psychiatric workup, disciplinary hearings or demotions, has anybody else?
All these behaviors have been given the official approval of the Department Of Justice. Their tacit acceptance of crimes against “The People” speak for our official, crooked, demented government.
The whole place is stinking like three day old fish.
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