“After a rocky start, the state Assembly and Senate are now working together on gun control legislation,” nj.com reports. Here’s their rundown of civilian disarmament legislation and the dangers of same, added by yours truly in italics.
Passed by both houses and on governor’s desk
A3668: Bars state pension fund from investing in companies that manufacture or sell assault firearms for civilian use – Part of the anti-gun culture crusade—last seen with the California teachers’ union (forcing Cerberus to sell-off The Freedom Group) and Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel (forcing Chicago to sell-0ff non-existent City holdings). This bill serves no purpose save demonizing gun makers and stoking the fires of civilian disarmament . . .
A3687: Bans those on the federal terrorist watch list from buying guns – There is no publicly revealed criteria for getting on—or official appeals process for getting off—the FBI’s Terrorist Watch List. Banning Garden State residents on the List denies them the natural, civil and Constitutional right to keep and bear arms without anything remotely resembling due process.
A3717: Requires state to submit data on those who should be barred from owning guns to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System – Background checks are inefficient, ineffective and unconstitutional. Allowing states to determine who should be ineligible for gun purchases on the federal level, and then pumping the info to the Feds, is ill-advised. At best.
A3796: Gives those who possess illegal guns 180 days to dispose of them – “Illegal guns” meaning “assault weapons” and any other firearm the People’s Republic of New Jerseyistan decides aren’t suitable for residents. How great is that?
A3797: Requires New Jersey enforcement agencies to report information on lost, stolen and discarded guns to federal databases – NJ hearts gun registration. Registration > Confiscation > Tyranny > Mass Murder. Just sayin’ . . .
A3583/1613: Establishes School Security Task Force – Paving the way for unionized cops to cash-in on taxpayer fears. Again. Still.
Passed by both houses but changed slightly; needs new vote in Assembly
A3788: Turns state regulation that firearms owner info is not public information into a state law – A winner! But don’t get to thinking that their doing this out of respect. Ex-cops are scared shitless of the publication of firearm owners’ names and addresses
A3659: Bans the .50-caliber rifle — the most powerful weapon available to civilians – Most powerful weapon aside from, say, a fertilizer bomb. The number of crimes committed with a .50-caliber rifle in NJ are . . . none. Gun control theater at its worst. I hope.
Passed Senate but not Assembly
S2723: Sweeney’s “centerpiece” bill on gun permits that would embed firearm purchase permit information on driver’s licenses instead of separate paper permits, create a system for instant background checks, require gun buyers to show they completed a safety training course and stiffen penalties for letting guns slip into the hands of minors. Four bills passed by the Assembly (A3510, A1683, A3645 and A3748) have been incorporated into this bill – Putting firearm info on a driver’s license enables government harassment and potential firearms confiscation [see; above]. There’s already a federal system for instant background checks. Safety training courses are a hurdle to legal gun ownership (especially for poor people) with no proven effect on “gun safety.” Stopping minors from handling guns allows gun grabbers to damage the culture supporting legal firearms ownership.
S1133: Requires presumption that any bail paid by defendant charged with certain weapons offenses be paid in the form of full cash – As much as I favor keeping people convicted of violent firearms offense in jail, they should be proven guilty first. Making it harder if not impossible for people charged with a weapons offense to raise bail sets a dangerous precedent for our justice system. If a judge denies them bail, fair enough. Otherwise, WTF?
S1279: Upgrades penalty for unlawfully transferring a firearm to an underage person; permits transfer for instruction and training – Not sure of the details on this one, but I’m always suspicious of laws that substitute government oversight for parental responsibility.
S2430: Declares violence a public health crisis and establishes “Study Commission on Violence” – Boondoggle.
S2468: Allows impounding motor vehicles if driver unlawfully has a gun – Why not take their house and credit cards too? As the Communists used to say, what’s mine is mine and what’s yours is mine.
S2715: Requires Department of Education to prepare and distribute pamphlets on how parents can limit a child’s exposure to media violence – Now that’s funny. Or not, if you consider that taxpayer money’s being used to brainwash kids and harass a perfectly legal enterprise.
S2719: Enhances penalties for gun trafficking firearms offenses – Good.
S2720: Clarifies that information concerning the total number of firearms purchaser identification cards and permits to purchase a handgun issued in a municipality are public records – Also good.
S2725: Makes it a third-degree crime to possess air or spring gun for an unlawful purpose – Airguns? BB guns? Seriously? Existing NJ laws already penalize the use of any gun-like object in the commission of a crime. Making simple possession of an airgun or BB gun a third degree crime is simply a move to destroy New Jersey’s gun culture. Such as it is.
S2801: Increases statute of limitations for prosecution of theft of firearm from five to 10 years – Yeah, like the NJ Po-Po are going to arrest people for ten-year-old gun thefts.
S2804: Makes unlawful possession of firearms a first-degree crime; increases mandatory minimum sentences under the “Graves Act” – I’m tough on crime but mandatory minimums don’t work and can make life hell for an otherwise law-abiding citizen.
Passed Assembly but not Senate *
A1329: Reduces maximum capacity of ammunition magazines to 10 rounds – FOAD
A588: Bans possession of ammunition capable of penetrating body armor – Rife rounds penetrate body armor. Stupid-ass law that will limit the sale of proper defensive ammunition.
A1116: Establishes 180-day prohibition on purchase of handgun for those convicted of failing to report loss or theft of firearm – Could have been worse, but what is the point, exactly?
A1387: Permits municipalities to establish weapons-free zones around schools and public facilities – Ever try avoiding a weapons-free zone while walking around an urban area? Besides, weapons-free zones are criminal invitation zones. Profoundly ignorant law that grants too much power to local liberals pursuing an anti-gun agenda.
OMG.
How could anyone looking at this list say with a straight face that the framers of these laws are genuinely interested in helping, protecting or saving anyone?
100% agree.
It’s almost like there is a government conspiracy by statist liberals to deny gun rights.
It isn’t really a conspiracy, and there are plenty of statist conservatives too. While they certainly operate under the veil of ‘gun safety’ their purpose is reasonably clear to any observer willing to do even a modicum of research. That doesn’t count as an actual conspiracy any more than the “pro-life” movement is for failing to call themselves “anti-choice”.
I don’t buy the pro-life being anti-freedom crap. A baby capable of living outside the mother is a human life. The law may not say so, but we were all in that position at one point. There is not a single contributor here who has been aborted. My issue with the “freedom” of the mother to choose is that it permanently destroys any choice or freedom that the baby will ever have. If babies had the ability to defend themselves, they would use it.
I will never understand .50 cal bans. Barely anybody can afford to buy one of those rifles, let alone the ammuniton.
Just learned this week that 50BMG primers alone cost more than complete cartridges for my rifle. More than twice as much, in fact.
I guess you have not figured out that progressives like terrorist believe in symbolism over substance. Of course is does nothing, but sounds like they did something.
NJ and other democratically controlled states show what happens when you have a single party running the whole show.
A two-party system isn’t much better. A three-party system’s getting closer, but we need more.
Sweden has 6 political parties with more than 10,000 members, and 8 with official representation.
Despite all that Sweden is still a socialist country with rioting immigrants (Muslims) demanding even more goodies.
And we why do want to emulate Sweden again?
People, even Swedes who don’t pay attention, tend not to understand Sweden. Swedes will tell you they never had feudalism. I’ll tell you that is practically speaking a lie. There are two Swedens, at least. One is comprised of very rich people including those with very large landholdings passed (still, five of them) by fee tail to the eldest son. It was hundreds until a decade ago. The other, poor Sweden suffered immensely, until it rebelled via unions and the Social Democrat party. If you have the time and money, I can show you both. Their extreme commitment to equality flows from their still-recent memory of the opposite situation (dating well into the 20th century). They overdid it, of course, and are now balancing. The commitment to equality will not survive ethnic/cultural diversity. One or the other will continue, but not both.
Perhaps you’re error is considering the purpose of the ban from a positive outcome perspective. My guess is that zero people a year die from being shot by a .50BMG, and that the total number for all years is, at highest, a double digit figure, so logically we can’t say that reducing murder is the motivation. Nor can we say preventing mass destruction is… there are far better implements available for that.
The reason, then, is because like “assault weapons”, these guns inspire fear in those that don’t understand them, and because only a minority of gun owners use them it’s easy to convince a majority that they serve no purpose. Here’s a little quote from Josh Sugarmann, the architect of modern gun control:
“Assault weapons—just like armor-piercing bullets, machine guns, and plastic firearms—are a new topic. The weapons’ menacing looks, coupled with the public’s confusion over fully automatic machine guns versus semi-automatic assault weapons—anything that looks like a machine gun is assumed to be a machine gun—can only increase the chance of public support for restrictions on these weapons. In addition, few people can envision a practical use for these weapons.”
That’s a real quote. That’s the real basis for most gun control measures today, and that’s largely what we’re up against.
“Funny” fact is that he was born in Newtown CT.
Makes sense that he’d be from a well off town in CT though. Folks that like telling other people what to do sometimes are.
I doubt he was born in Newtown unless his mother is some kind of hippie. No hospital then or now except for Fairfield Hills, the state mental hospital back then. He was most likely born at Danbury Hospital.
I’m assuming he meant ‘grew up in Newtown’, which he apparently did.
Hey, anyone else crying themselves to sleep tonight? If you were just watching HBO you know what I’m talking about.
From DC v. HELLER:
As far as modern firearms are concerned, they are ALL protected under the second amendment as stated on pg.8, Paragrapy 2, :
“Some have made an argument, bordering on the frivolous, that only arms in existence in the 18th century are protected by the Second Amendment. We do not interpret Constitutional laws this way. Just as the First Amendment protects modern forms of communicationsn e.g Reno v ACLU, 521 U.S. 844, 849 (1997), and the Fourth Amendment applies to modern forms of search, … the Second Amendment extends, prima facie, to all instruments that constitute bearable arms, ev3n those that were not in existence at the time of the founding. ”
To put a further cap on this nonsense of certain types of weapons can be banned because they are of military semblance is put to rest here.
Pg. 55, paragraph 2:
“It may be objected that of weapons that are most useful in military service-m16 rifles and the like-may be banned, then the Second Amendment right is completely detached from the Prefatory clause. But as we have said, the conception of the militia at the time of the Second Amendmente ratification was the Bay of ALL citizens capable of military service, who could bring the sorts of lawful weapons they possessed at home to militia duty:…. . But the fact modern developments have limited the degree of fit between the Prefatory Clause and the protected rightcan not change or interpretation of the right. ”
So there you have it. Assualt weapons ban, regardless of specific definition, is unconstitutional.
+ 1
I’ve yet to find one incident where one has been used to commit murder. And as a true-crime buff I’m sure I would have found one by now.
I’m not surprised. Frankly, I wouldn’t be incredibly surprised if no one in the US had ever been murdered with a .50 BMG.
They’re not the politicians the people of New Jersey need; they’re the politicians the people of New Jersey deserve.
No one deserves this. The gun people of NJ aren’t responsible for this, the low-information voters are.
(And yes, I get your reference)
The gun people of NJ aren’t responsible for this, the low-information voters are.
When you are born in an area that absolutely hates you based on a simple characteristic (skin color, religion, legal hobbies), you’re fully responsible if you choose to stay instead of getting the hell out of there.
Did you flee the country during the Assault Weapons Ban?
I wasn’t old enough to own a gun or care about politics back then. Also, it’s quite a different story for a handful of anti-gun states to force unconstitutional views on the rest of the country than it is for the majority of voters in a state to vote in favor of anti-gun laws for just their state.
Toten,
Will you flee the United States when Obama signs the UN Arms Treaty?
Totenglocke: Yep. New Jersey was overrun by immigrants of very diverse origin in the period 1860-1926, and the groups don’t trust each other, vie for power. I often drive the Atlantic City Expressway from Philadelphia to a beach town. There is one large rest area for food and gas. It is named Frank Farley Plaza. You may have heard of Enoch “Nucky” Johnson, the inspiration for the HBO Boardwalk Empire character “Nucky Thompson”: Farley was Nucky’s hand-picked successor. That’s New Jersey. Gangsters and big corporate money alternately buy and are extorted by the politicians. Unionized cops just demand a percentage and gun rights limitations. The beat goes on.
I’d take Nucky Thompson over
Jabba the HutChris Christie or Obama any day.The west has the loony state of CA, the east coast has MD, NJ, NY, CT and MA.
These statist morons should go to cuba and FOAD.
Don’t forget Colorado. The west also has Colorado.
Damn shame.
CO will be a test, and I’m hoping the grabbers fail in the next round of elections. If that happens it would be a staggering blow to their future efforts, and a stern warning to pols that try the same thing in the future.
dday you forgot RI, one of the most worthless states that’s a large grease stain on the way to cape cod.
RI is in surprisingly good shape. No magazine ban and I believe two features on an AR or AK are just fine.
NJ goes full retard on gun laws and reelects a fat RINO retard as governor. By golly, there’s some kinda perfect symmetry right there.
I’d ask Gov. Kristie Kreme what he thinks about these laws, but his nose is still stuck up Obaba’s @ss.
It just shows that after a State is done passing “reasonable” gun laws, they move on to unreasonable ones. Stopping is not an option. And now, speaking of California …
What’s wrong with a background check at a gun shop?
Because in this situation a lawful citizen gets a gun.
The sooner they disarm New Jersey the better.
Has anyone challenges the “Terrorist Watch List” itself in court yet? Pulling that crap into this seems to be a nice, fat target for a lawsuit of epic proportions.
The only way we can win this ” war” on guns and gun owners is at the polls. Everybody that logs onto this site already knows the slippery slope of even a compromise on gun control. We need to show people there is nothing to fear from a piece of metal, wood and polymer. How we accomplish that, I don’t have the answer. From what I read on here, there are obviously smarter men ( and women ) than I. At any rate, we must stop pissing into the wind, stop preaching to the choir and start changing minds and attitudes, thus, changing government
They aren’t disarming civilians. They are disarming citizens. Civilians are government employees not in the military.
Why, indeed, declare a “public health crisis”? This must have special meaning.
I did some searching, and found this “The Model State Emergency Health Powers Act”.
If New Jersey’s is anything like this, it would seem to be a reason to worry: it does not strike me as a particularly far reach for some of these Sections to be extended directly to firearms.
Section 501: Perhaps close down a gun range, or restrict ammunition sales?
It would be great to have the opinion of someone who knows what they’re talking about weigh in with an opinion.
Article V Special Powers During a State of Public Health Emergency:
Management of Property
Sec. Title and Brief Description
§ 501 Emergency measures concerning facilities and materials – allows PHA to close,
evacuate, or decontaminate any facility or material that poses a danger to the public
health without compensation to the owner.
§ 502 Access to and control of facilities and property – allows PHA broad access and use of
private facilities or materials during a public health emergency with compensation to
private owners in the event of a taking.
§ 503 Safe disposal of infectious waste – sets rules for the safe disposal of infectious waste
to prevent the spread of an illness or health condition.
§ 504 Safe disposal of human remains – provides guidelines for the safe disposal of human
remains that may pose a public health threat, including use of private facilities as
needed.
§ 505 Control of health care supplies – authorizes PHA to procure, obtain, and ration needed
health supplies (e.g., anti-toxins, serums, vaccines, antibiotics, and other medicines),
as well as control their distribution during a public health emergency.
§ 506 Compensation – provides compensation for private owners whose property is taken
during a public health emergency. Compensation does not occur if the public health
agency is exercising police powers (e.g., a nuisance abatement), but only if there is a
“taking” of property.
§ 507 Destruction of property – requires some civil procedures prior to the destruction of
property where possible.
[ SOURCE: http://www.publichealthlaw.net/MSEHPA/Center%20MSEHPA%20Commentary.pdf ]
While reviewing the proposed New Jersey legislation, I couldn’t help notice this section, wherein they ADMIT that their firearm control laws are useless:
Turning to Page 3:
22 Although New Jersey has strict gun control laws, these laws
23 are easily circumvented because of the lack of similar federal laws.
24 In order to provide more safety for New Jersey residents, the federal
25 government must reinstate its ban on assault weapons which
26 expired on September 13, 1994 and must expand background check
27 requirements for gun purchases to include all sales and transfers;
( FULL TEXT: http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2012/Bills/S2500/2430_I1.PDF )
What’s even more disturbing is if you bring up violence in Mexico, they’ll blame it on guns crossing the border from the U.S., basically admitting that even national gun control laws are of no effect (yet they demand them anyway).
Because a law in NJ( I can’t remember which) declares that the state police con confiscate guns in an emergancy. That’s why they call it a crisis.
Washington should of stayed on the Pennsylania side of river instead of crossing.If he only knew.
Best comment.
Actually it doesn’t appear that A588 would ban riffle rounds capable of penetrating body armor since it refers to ammunition primarily designed for use in a handgun. N.J.S.2C:39-3f(a) as amended provides in part, “…who knowingly has in his possession any body armor breaching or penetrating ammunition, which means: (a) ammunition primarily designed for use in a handgun, and …”
Good bye Five-seveN. Lots of government talk about that pistol.
It’s worse than that… A588’s summary _says_ that it just bans armor piercing — but it reality it goes much further: any “destructive device”, silencers, hollow-point ammo, slingshots, hicap mags (again), stun guns, handcuffs, … effective immediately, without ex-post facto…
Terrible drop-your-pants surprise legislation. I’m sure people only read the summary and not the contents of the bills – taking a page from Nick’s playbook… Creating legislation like that should be illegal and impeachable, because it’s dishonest at best, and worse could be employed for all kinds of corruptive practices.
There are only two factors to consider. 1. Whether a bill is pro or anti-gun, 2. Whether a politician votes with or against that bill. Not much else is used in political history for their campaign material. The actual impact of the measures or even the measures themselves will mostly be forgotten even before the vote.
Now the people that write those bills, that’s a whole new realm of evil or stupid, maybe even both.
Evil, and from people that think they’re not… where have we seen this before…
And let’s watch them violate the VIII amendment, if anyone can recall.
As the very first words of it: Excessive bail shall not be required, nor
excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
Is violating your oath of office, and the Constitution, a crime anymore?
It’s pillaging and plundering under the guise of gun safety legislation.
If Christie signs this, he should be considered dead to all republicans.
You know, that terrorist watch list bit really kills me… When bush was in office, progressives were flipping their lids over that list’s existence, calling it a gross infringement on civil rights. Now that a democrat its in office though, it’s suddenly a good frame work by which to deny Americans their natural and constitutional rights?
I heard a little joke about progressives that is ringing truer every day: “it’s not fascism when WE do it”
The fact is that they don’t have any principles beyond “the ends justify the means” (and the ends are increasing their own power to the maximum extent).
Any word if Christie has stopped holding hands with Obama long enough to sign these?
He has not taken any action – but there’s no pocket veto in NJ. If he doesn’t do anything within 45 days, the bills become laws.
Gov. Christie can pal around with Mitt Romney at their little “Experts and Enthusiasts” conventicle all he wants; but if he has any serious expectation of his campaign making it through the GOP primary in 2016, then he needs to get his abundant rear in gear and get back to NJ to veto these anti-Constitutional abominations.
Senator Frank R. Lautenberg dead today
And good damn riddance.
They need these laws because NJ is just awash with guns and gun owners with no laws, restrictions or controls on anything they do.
So sayeth the sheep who vote for these people.
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