“If guns are too dangerous to be around supermarket shoppers and library patrons, they certainly should be kept well away from college students.” – More students with guns won’t make NAU safer [via azdailysun.com]
“If guns are too dangerous to be around supermarket shoppers and library patrons, they certainly should be kept well away from college students.” – More students with guns won’t make NAU safer [via azdailysun.com]
But guns are not too dangerous. Mine goes in the grocery store and the library all the time. It has never shot someone or “gone off”.
So essentially, this article is: false statement, therefore: false statement.
Exactly. It reads that since libraries and supermarkets CAN prohibit them, then logically they are prohibited there and universities should be the same.
That was quite the jump.
P➝Q
~P
∴ ~Q
The stupid. It hurts!
If P implies Q, !P does not imply !Q.
True. It does, however imply something other than Q.
Q can be true when P is not true. There may be other factors (besides P) which correlate with Q, or Q could even occur with no other correlated factors.
However if P is true, then Q must be true. In this case, P is NOT true, so one can not determine whether Q is true or not.
This all implies ~IQ.
I took a Logic class many moons ago.
Still have my book.
Chief Master broke that argument to an accurate symbolic form called a
Mixed Hypothetical Syllogism.
There are Four Basic Mixed Hypothetical Syllogisms.
Two are Valid and Two are Invalid.
This is an example of the Fallacious Invalid Syllogism called
Denying the Antecedent.
ref. A Concise Introduction to Logic by Patrick Hurley.
A class in Logic and a class in Rhetoric (the Art of Logical Persuasion)
have been invaluable to me.
We tried talking to our student representatives, we won the majority opinion vote, but our student reps, admin, and head of the school still were vehemently against campus carry…
You’d think in Texas they’d have a different mindset….
Maybe they’re from out of state and didn’t grow up here? We get a lot of political and economic refugees in Texas from failed states across America and across the world. They come here for a fresh start, but carry with them the same stale, rancid ideas that infected and compromised whatever hell hole they fled.
Same in AZ. Especially in Flagstaff where NAU is located. Lots of Californian ex-pats up in that area… and not the good Central Valley and Northern Cal people either, they’re the Bay Area and SoCal types that wanted to live in the mountains, but didn’t want to move all the way to Colorado.
Middle TN is 100% the same way. We have more people moving here in a day than chicagistan has in a year. Most are from L.A, NY etc etc. they moved here for low taxes & economic opportunity, yet they don’t see the connection between Conservatism & quality of life. They bring their identical bankrupt values form their bankrupt states.
All I’m saying is that judge Starr (I attend baylor) was confident that we were to opt out of sb11 (and most of the staffing shared the sentiment). But you’re right, The two most represented states here (aside from Texas obviously) are California and Colorado. That explains the student body aspect. But throughout the process of gathering the student opinion and even discussion on SB11 it felt more like they were telling us how that we were opting out and to get over it. They were dead set on opting out months before we were even asked.
All of the rabidly anti-gun folks I know (for what it’s worth) in Texas are not actually from Texas…
And, every single one of my liberal Texan (native Texan) friends either own guns, or, at least, support gun ownership.
What you are saying is akin to asking Floridians “what’s up with all the Northeastern accents in Florida.”
This is my experience as well. The various myths about Texas being number 1 in all things related to firearms also seem to be perpetuated mostly by people that have never set foot in the state.
This is not to say we don’t still have proud native Texans (to the point of delusional) about where we stack up but when I was growing up and a fellow Texan started bragging about gun rights they were routinely and quickly called on it with one word. Vermont.
Fast forward to present day and I can’t imagine Texas getting a pass from other 2A absolutists if suppressors were not legal here until 2015. Just a wild guess but I imagine 5 round magazine limits while hunting with anything more than .22LR would also be frowned upon. I know it would not have been well received by those of us here that clear feral hogs. 😉
not sure rick perry did us such a great favor bringing all those lefty/liberals from the rust belt and beyond. refugees are not necessarily the rock upon which you build an economy or society.
“…when I was growing up and a fellow Texan started bragging about gun rights they were routinely and quickly called on it with one word. Vermont.”
And, my retort to “Vermont” would be, “Just don’t tell the Bern???”
I am old enough that the Bern wasn’t a thing when I was growing up, certainly not as he is now. At the time Vermont was rightfully highly regarded as far as gun rights and for the most part still is regardless of the Aardvark looking for dat ant instead of a comb.
Perhaps I got off topic a bit. I was basically trying to agree with you regarding misconceptions about Texans but it would not be the first time I fell short.
With trigger discipline like that it just might go off.
At least he’s pointing it at his own body, rather than something valuable.
I have no interest in improving the safety of an entire campus. That’s not my job, and frankly, I don’t have the time.
I am only interested in improving my own safety, and the founders of this nation ensured that the government would not infringe on my God-given right to do that.
An easy fix to campus safety would be allowing all students to exercise their Constitutionally protected right…man, that hurts the brain having to even argue about protected rights.
No need for a force of 50 or 60 rent a cops when the entire campus protects itself individually.
Well if Texas has a open carry bookstore we should have our own firearms campus.
With..
Blackjack and hookers.
Wait.
No.
Got my notes mixed up.
Bender B. Rodriguez for the win.
This is the worst kind of discrimination.
The kind against me.
This is the WORST bit of logical equivalency I have seen in a long time.
Why are so many commenters bringing up Texas?
“NAU” and “Arizona” are in the title post. Inference – know it, use it, love it.
Unless Texas took over AZ, because if so, as a Texan I’m very disappointed. I would rather have Oklahoma.
I’d be glad to give you Chicago.
I lived in Chicago for about a year…
The deep-dish pizza was my only positive experience.
Not to mention, I don’t enjoy visiting any place where the people look at me like I have two heads when I ask for “sweet tea.”
With apologies to Joe R (and others from/in OK)…
ROHC, you know what they say about why Texas doesn’t slide off into the Gulf of Mexico, don’t you?
True.
But, Texas already boarders Mexico, I don’t want to boarder California, too.
It saddens me to hear professors and some (most) fellow college students open their mouths on the subject of guns. It’s basically “I think I know everything, but I really know nothing, I don’t want to know anything, and that makes me an expert and guns are scary and bad and nobody should have them except the government”
His logic his solid.
I mean he’s working from a completely false premise…
Libraries, supermarkets, and colleges… Oh My!
I totally carry in supermarkets and libraries…
I don’t trust those produce and Dewey Decimal havin’ folk – they’re shifty.
My response?
“If private universities can find the means to raise funds without relying on the State, then future funding should be kept well away from NAU.”
And there you have it….they admit they do want people in situations where they cannot defend themselves. We are working against a death cult. These people cannot be reasoned with, only de-programmed one-at-a-time.
I just spent three years taking night classes for a master’s degree (with honors) at a local college. I parked on the street, stowed my ccw pistol and walked to and from class in a neighborhood that frequently hears gunfire. I think that’s how it went. No one was harmed. No discussions were chilled. No professors panicked.
“Since guns aren’t too dangerous to be around supermarket shoppers and library patrons, they certainly should not be kept away from college students.”
FIFY, numbnuts.
As an NAU student who is graduating this semester, I’ve followed the idea of “concealed means concealed” and I’ve never had any issues. I’ll take my chances before I let some progressive administrators gamble on my safety and well-being.
“If guns are too dangerous to be around supermarket shoppers and library patrons, they certainly should be kept well away from college students.”
This is an “If A, then B” logical statement. An “If A, then B” logical statement requires that the primary condition (A) must be true, in order for the secondary condition (B) to be true. This logical statement fails, because the primary condition (A) is NOT true. Therefore one can not make any conclusion about condition B.
There ya’ go again. All that logic and truth stuff that is incomprehensible to the anti-gun movement. To them, you are speaking an unknown foreign language. Besides, feelings and good intentions are superior to facts and logic.
There ya’ go again. All that logic and truth stuff that is incomprehensible to the anti-gun movement. To them, you are speaking an unknown foreign language. Besides, feelings and good intentions are superior to facts and logic.
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