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Svetlana Putilina trains to use a gun in Kharkiv, Ukraine (AP Photo/Evgeniy Maloletka)
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From the Second Amendment Foundation . . .

“The whole world is watching, but gun owners around the world can actually be helping,” said Alan Gottlieb, founder and executive vice president of the Second Amendment Foundation. “We’re calling on our fellow gun owners and rights activists to support Zbroya, the Ukranian Gun Owners Association (UGOA).

UGOA is a member organization of the International Association for the Protection of Civilian Arms Rights (IAPCAR), which SAF spearheaded and helped organize more than a decade ago. Now, more than ever, gun owners in Ukraine are in dire need of support, because civilian arms rights has never been more important in that nation.

“Our brother and sister gun owners in the Ukraine are fighting for their lives,” Gottlieb said, “and now is the time for gun owners across the country and around the world to step up and help them in their hour of need.”

Contributions may be made directly to UGOA by visiting the Zbroya page at the IAPCAR website, Gottlieb noted. Open the page and in the upper right hand corner, click on the red “Donate” icon, and follow instructions.

“When IAPCAR was founded,” Gottlieb recalled, “we stressed the importance of civilian arms rights because when a nation is threatened with its very existence, responsibility for that nation’s defense invariably falls to the people, the patriots willing to take up arms and stand on the front lines of freedom.

“If anyone wonders why the right to keep and bear arms is so important,” he observed, “they only need to watch the evening news for the answer. More than 200 years ago, our fledgling nation had to fight for its very existence. Times have changed, but for the people of Ukraine, the circumstances are very much the same. This young nation is battling raw aggression, and that fight involves our fellow gun owners. It’s time to do more than just sit and watch this tragedy unfold on television. Help us help our friends and allies in Ukraine.”

Donations may be made here.

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    • To avoid a confrontation that x-cop should have got up and moved his behind elsewhere. On the other hand apparently the deceased was never taught to respect his elders and move his behind elsewhere. Blockheads like that need to watch movies at home.

      • “To avoid a confrontation that x-cop should have got up and moved his behind elsewhere“

        So you are in favor of ‘a duty to retreat’, very interesting.

        • No it’s called having manners. Something that the “freedom of speech freaks” advocated people stop using and stop teaching.

        • minor49iq…”A duty to retreat” are your words lock, stock and barrel…Try again you silly spin meister.

        • Psst, Minor MINER49ER most states are smart enough to know that retreat is not a viable option. But I am sure you have always retreated when confronted with evil.

        • “To avoid a confrontation that x-cop should have got up and moved his behind elsewhere“

          That is Debbie’s comment, what do those words mean?

          Specifically, what do these words mean:

          “that x-cop should have got up and moved”

          So that wouldn’t be “retreating”?

        • ” “that x-cop should have got up and moved”

          So that wouldn’t be “retreating”? ”

          No. That would be de-escalating.

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    • Naturally he was acquitted because he is a cop and they can murder anyone they wish. The all powerful State rarely prosecutes its own henchmen because it is they who protect the corrupt politicians.

        • In the George Floyd case, there were just too many citizen witnesses recording video.

          In a darkened theater, it’s easy to claim that armed ex-cop was ‘fearful’ and there’s no one with a clear view of the actual events.

      • dacian the DUNDERHEAD, How do you explain the convictions of police officers who have been tried in NY, Minnesota, California, etc? Did you somehow forget this?
        God save us from fools and Leftists.

  1. Yeah right…too little too late. I guess Hunter n Slow Joe didn’t get enough graft & corruption payments. Ukraine had 30 years to prepare for the soviet er Russian onslaught. They failed. I see Europe doesn’t care either. Where would my “contributions” end up?!?

    • To the guy who thinks he can walk on water.

      Yeah sure blame Biden you Moron. Trump had 4 years to beef up Ukraine’s military and training and he did nothing except throw them a few bones to make himself look good. Your blaming Biden is ludicrous and totally ignorant but that is the hall mark of the Far Right.

      • Which four years was Trump the President of Ukraine and thus had a duty to “beef up Ukraine’s military?”

      • I never replied to your blithering idiocy Alfred E. Neuman but you’re on my list now. As mentioned Trump had no duty to “aid” Ukraine. Slow Joe did. Quid pro quo. Look it up mommy’s girl…

      • Actually, the US has been training and equiping Ukraine for 10 years now.

        They can’t just “join” NATO, they forces have to be up to par with the rest of the alliance. We were helping with that.

        (Well, actually I do me we, since the government was using our tax dollars. And borrowed money from China.)

      • dacian, the DUNDERHEAD. Nice try! Trump did more to counter your Russkie heroes than Obuma the Phony or Sleepy Joe ever dared.

    • “I guess Hunter n Slow Joe didn’t get enough graft & corruption payments“

      No, Donald Trump did not get his politically motivated investigation of the Bidens, so he blocked military aid to the Ukrainians.

      “Trump blocked payment of a congressionally mandated $400 million military aid package to allegedly obtain quid pro quo cooperation from Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky. Trump released the aid after becoming aware of a whistleblower complaint about his activities relating to Ukraine, before the complaint was known by Congress or the public.[6] A number of contacts were established between the White House and the government of Ukraine, culminating in a phone call between Trump and Zelensky on July 25, 2019.“

      It wasn’t until Lt. Colonel Vindmsn stepped forward and revealed trumps illegal political conspiracy that Trump was forced to release the military aid to the Ukrainians.

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump–Ukraine_scandal

        • You know of course there are footnotes there in the Wikipedia article that go directly to the source documents.

          And you know the facts, this is the very reason Trump was impeached for the first time. He intentionally blocked military aid to the Ukrainians in order to coerce them into a fraudulent investigation to help his faltering campaign.

          Tell me, do you have a source or a citation or a website that refutes trump blocking the $400 million aid package?

          While you’re at it, perhaps you could explain how Trump declaring NATO “obsolete” strengthened the Ukrainian position?

      • minor49iq…Wikipedia? Your sleazy hero Jim Crow Gun Control joe is on tape withholding funding from Ukraine on the behalf of his son. You and darcydodo look like two jackasses trying to lay your democRat Party filth at the feet of POTUS DJT. Your marxist level slander and libel tactics are no longer working, America is fed up with your demoCrap.

      • Except zero laws were broken. What a joke. The impeachment was meant to distract from the Biden family using their position of power to enrich themselves.

        • Kinda like Trump huh?

          New reporting show millions of dollars spent on Trump properties by Russian Oligarchs.

          Russian elite invested nearly $100 million in Trump buildings

          https://www.reuters.com › usa-trump-property
          Mar 17, 2017 — One wealthy Russian buyer was Alexander Yuzvik. In 2010, he and his wife bought unit 3901 of Trump Palace in Sunny Isles for $1.3 million, …

        • “In 2010…”

          No, not at all like Trump. Bonus points if you can figure out the difference between a man in the business of real estate, making money on…real estate, and a “public servant” using his political position to enrich his family. I hate to burst your TDS bubble, but Trump wasn’t an elected official in 2010. He wasn’t even running for any office back then.

        • to AR Libertarian

          I’m glad a private citizen Donald Trump made money years before he first ran for public office. Now can you tell me just how much money the Biden family has made while Joe has BEEN IN office???

          And as a self-described Libertarian, do you support a private citizen Donald trump making money back in 2010???

      • Minor MINER49ER Seems you Lefties have been too busy investigating Trump and finding nothing. Wait for the Red Wave after the Midterms. There will be a flew of investigations of your buddy Sleepy Joe and his son Hunter

    • Americans are utterly ignorant of world history. During WW2 the Ukrainians collaborated extensively with the Nazis to murder 1,500,000 of their Jewish fellow citizens. In many areas, they started killing Jews as soon as the Soviets fled and before the Germans even arrived. They helped to round up and murder nearly every Jew in the country. I could care less if the Russians level the whole place. SAF should do a better job of vetting their causes.

      • If the concern here is “murdered millions of their own citizens and actively targeted ethnic minorities during WWII” … why are you cosigning Russia?

      • Tick, here is a RED HOT NEWS FLASH for you. That was over 80 years ago not to mention that is was a small group of Ukrainians that participated in this atrocity. Get over it, Lefty.

  2. While I wish them well, there is nothing any of us can do to help them in any significant way.

    There is only one way the US can punish Russia, and that is to turn on the pumps. Rev up our energy sector, restart the Keystone XL pipeline. Fully open ANWR and oil exploration off the west coast, and in the Gulf. Russia is massively dependent on high energy prices and killing their economy would punish them for Ukraine and jam them up for decades.

    Of course the Democrat party would scream about global warming and do their best to support the Russians.

    FJB!

    • “Rev up our energy sector, restart the Keystone XL pipeline“

      The keystone pipeline has nothing to do with America’s energy supplies.

      It would move Canadian tar sands oils to the gulf coast for processing and export, America would never see any of that energy, it would only profit the multi national corporations.

      • Are you an idiot or are you a Communist?

        Of course there is profit motive, the point is that Europe needs the energy because they have been shutting most of their nuke power. By pumping up our production we push down energy prices, harming Russia, helping the US, and pushing down inflation.

        • How interesting that you folks are such fans of the Keystone XL pipeline.

          Once more we see those who claim to be patriotic conservative Americans, are actually big corporation hypocrites whose talk of private property rights is nothing but bullshit.

          You are the Corporate Commies, willing to steal American citizens land in order that a Canadian oil company turn a profit.

          “When Nebraska landowners who had refused TransCanada the permission it needed for pipeline easements on their properties, TransCanada attempted to exercise eminent domain over such use. Landowners in the path of the pipeline have complained about threats by TransCanada to confiscate private land and lawsuits to allow the “pipeline on their property even though the controversial project has yet to receive federal approval”.[134] As of October 17, 2011, TransCanada had “34 eminent domain actions against landowners in Texas” and “22 in South Dakota”. Some of those landowners gave testimony for a House Energy and Commerce Committee hearing in May 2011.[134] In his book The Pipeline and the Paradigm, Samuel Avery quotes landowner David Daniel in Texas, who claims that TransCanada illegally seized his land via eminent domain by claiming to be a public utility rather than a private firm.[135] On October 4, 2012, 78-year-old Texas landowner Eleanor Fairchild was arrested for criminal trespassing and other charges after she was accused of standing in front of pipeline construction equipment on Fairchild’s farm in Winnsboro, a town about 100 miles (160 km) east of Dallas.[136] Fairchild has owned the land since 1983 and refused to sign any agreements with TransCanada. Her land was seized by eminent domain.“

          No wonder you folks suck up to Trump, Putin and the Russian corrupt billionaires, you folks think by kissing his ass he’ll let a little of that money trickle down to you.

          What fools…

        • Oh I see, you guys are only against pipelines due to eminent domain worries. Yeah right. Why do you lie so much? It’s all about destroying and remaking the energy sector. Do you honestly believe there’s a single person here that believes your lies?

          “No wonder you folks suck up to Trump, Putin and the Russian corrupt billionaires…”

          Once again becoming a net energy exporter has nothing to do with sucking up to anyone, ESPECIALLY Putin and Russia. Who’s the fool again? Putin (and China) is on your side of destroying our energy sector. Do you seriously not understand that?

        • Minor MINER49ER Seems the fool is you. You bet we support the Keystone Pipeline. The world needs this oil. You so called ecologists haven’t yet perfected enough alternative energy sources to make you happy.

          When you dunces figure this out, maybe we can get back to fixing the economy.

      • I’m not surprised you forgot the over 11,000 American oil workers who lost their jobs, many of them union jobs when Biden stopped the pipeline. But he did green light the Russian pipeline. So Russians workers can get a very good salary for the many years to come.

        But that is how the socialist Progressive Democrats think. They are Internationalists not nationalists. So they’re comfortable when Americans lose their jobs. And those jobs go overseas to foreigners.

        It seems Democrat presidents are always looking out for foreign workers. They don’t seem to care very much for American workers

        • The commie sheep here want to see our traditional energy sector die. They either don’t understand or don’t care that other countries will step in to fill the void. In other words, the ONLY thing that will change is the American people will suffer from high energy costs, our country will have less leverage on the world stage, and Russia and OPEC will be empowered. Brilliant!

      • Minor MINER49ER. The Keystone Pipeline has a lot to do with energy. You so called “environmentalists” seem to think that we can instantaneously transfer our energy needs to other sources which are either too damn costly or haven’t been invested or perfected yet.

        • How else would China make a fortune selling us solar panels? The commie sheep are on the side of Russia, OPEC, and China.

      • And it could replace oil in Europe that is currently being bought from Russia. According to NATO the Russian government has spent over $95 million on anti-fracking propaganda. Are you on their payroll?

  3. I know nothing about Zbroya. But, even if I were familiar with them, how would my supporting them have any impact on current events? The fascist government in Ukraine won’t allow civilians to have weapons after the current crisis is resolved anyway. We’ll just have to wait and see what the next government has to say.

    • “I know nothing about Zbroya. But, even if I were familiar with them, how would my supporting them have any impact on current events?”

      Your donations probably go mostly towards buying bullets from neighboring countries. Look closely at the armed civilians you see in the pictures, how many do you see carrying more than one magazine (the one in the weapon)? That’s probably because although they have ammo for their military, and are passing out weapons to civilians, that do not have enough ammo for the civilians to give them more than one magazine (mostly).

      What impact would that have though? None of us are on the ground there, but its clear that the Russians have not overrun the country yet and that’s probably because of the resistance being put up by the Ukraine military and already armed civilians. If the civilians run out of bullets, although maybe a useful club in a one to one encounter at close range a gun without bullets is useless when the other side has bullets for their guns.

      But who can really say.

      The Russians in WWII sent thousands of troops into combat without a firearm against the well equipped German army, when one Russian soldier with a firearm would fall the next without a firearm would pick up that fallen soldiers firearm and continue the advance. Thousands of Russian troops died as a result of not having enough firearms, but overall in the end, with the help of the allies, Russia wasn’t defeated.

      Now think about having plenty of firearms yet no bullets with the enemy bearing down on you, with no help from others so what impact would it have for those people with firearms to have bullets to resist the enemy?

      We talk of carrying our firearms for self-defense or defense of others. I think we all know that there might be times when a good guy with a gun is not successful in that self-defense or defense of others. But isn’t it at least better to have a chance than no chance at all? If you are not able to exercise that chance then definitely you are going to fail, if you don’t have bullets you are definitely going to fail – that’s the difference your support makes.

    • Paul the Lefty, It seems you don’t know what is going on in the Ukraine right now. For you edification, the Ukrainian government is arming civilians. Get a grip on reality and quit watching MSNBC and Pravda.

      • Read his comment again, Beverly. You know, for “you edification”… and if anyone thinks the gov is handing the people weapons for the people’s sake, then they just haven’t been paying attention.

        • First of all if you are going to refer to me in that manner, it’s MR BEVERLY.

          Second, that fact remains that the government of the Ukraine is Handing OUT weapons to individual civilians. Is that clear?

          Third, the current Ukrainian government is a duly democratically elected government.

          Is that clear to you? Or do you need it repeated?

        • I’ve read enough of your pompous, often incorrect yet highly opinionated anyways posts that I’ll just stick with “Beverly” thank you. Is that pretty clear for you? I doubt it.

  4. Unfortunately Gottlieb lives in his own little fantasy world. Small arms in Ukraine will not make a difference in the final outcome of the war. Sending small arms now is a waste of money and time. What Ukraine needed was heavy weapons like artillery , tanks and aircraft.

    Defeating a larger more powerful country by a smaller one as happened twice in Vietnam required billions in aid which was done by Russia, China and the East European countries. Sanctuary for the insurgents was necessary as well. In Vietnam it was the North of the country and even if the U.S. had invaded the North the Vietnamese army would have crossed over into friendly countries like China where the U.S. would not have been able to follow them. Of course China would have entered the war long before that.

    The Ukraine is a very different country and situation. No Ukrainian troops will be permitted to launch guerrilla attacks against the Russian occupied Ukraine from neighboring Nato countries as that would make Putin invade those Nato countries or at least start a terror campaign of bombing the civilian centers of the largest cities.

    Gottlieb also distorts American history with his laughable drum beating.

    The so called heroic Minute Man defeating a much better equipped and trained British Army never happened despite American propaganda to the contrary. It was a myth and a bold face lie from day one.

    Rather the success of the American revolution was because of French intervention, in spite of the incompetent George Washington, who lost more battles than he won and was almost captured twice.

    It was millions in French money that financed the American Revolution along with professionally trained French troops skilled in siege warfare and armed with the most up to date modern cannon coupled with the might of the French Navy that won Americas fight for independence from Britain which turned out to be the biggest mistake in American History.

    The American people, after the ill conceived revolution by a bunch of stingy greed monger businessmen, then enslaved them via a corrupt Greed Monger Oligarchy which even denied them the right to vote and denied them the right to a real democracy via a parliamentary government with multiple political parties. This was a disaster that has had repercussions to this very day as the Oligarchs that set up the new American Government set up a country to be run on a vast system of corruption of government that has no equal in the entire world.

    America and the entire world wrote of the Ukraine before Putin ever invaded and everyone knew it was only a matter of time before he did so. Putin stated he was going too many times but what is more troubling he has stated (just as Hitler did) what he intends to do next and even what countries he plans on invading.

    History repeats itself. Hitler was appeased in the hopes he would just go away after invading Czechoslovakia and the world is now making the same mistake with Putin. Putin is only just beginning with the invasion of the Ukraine. You can only stop a man with a mad lust for power by crushing him and that the world is not yet willing to do.

    • Correction about Vietnam. It was four times. France, US, and China twice in the 1970s. North Vietnam were regulars. The VC were not. The point being about guerilla warfare. Takes ten regulars to take on one irregular. Also, parliamentary systems are controlled by the same oligarchs, where the members represent the party, not the constituents. It isn’t that hard for a PM to turn into a dictator, see Marcos and Trudeu.
      I take it you have been reading Howard Zinn, who was a communist ideologue, not a real historian.

      • to .357

        I was refereeing to recent history and you were wrong about the number of times China invaded Vietnam. If you go even further back in history China invaded Nam at least 3 times not including the 2 times you mentioned in recent history.

        And your mention of Trudeau as a dictator is laughable.

      • Dacian the dunnderhead, it seems you have forgotten that it was small arms in both Afghanistan and Vietnam that carried the day. Seems your memory of real history is somewhat lacking.

  5. I wonder that will make other European countries to start waking up that the Russian threat is now next door to them.

  6. I support Russia and welcome them as liberators.

    I grew up in a Russian speaking area of Ukraine. Supporting Ukraine is supporting the genocide of the Russian minority and gay pride parades in Kiev.

    What would we do if China put weapons to in Mexico?

    Americans have no idea about what is really going on, and if you don’t understand the context don’t support either side. Supporting the Ukrainian puppet gov because the TV told you to- is stupid.

    • Agreed. This is not our concern. American should remain neutral in this conflict.

      America needs to stop these color revolutions. It’s the people of these countries that end up getting hurt. If we really wanted peace, Bill Clinton should have let Russia join NATO.

      • Winchester 94, Neutral MY POSTERIOR! What gives you the idea that we incited this “revolution” in 2014?

        Russia join NATO? SURE! Let the fox in the hen house. How about NO FUCKIN’ WAY!

    • To- I support the Rooskies.

      You obviously either flunked history or you are a Putin operative.

      There are already hundreds of nuclear missiles in neighboring Nato countries, a few more in the Ukraine would only have been superfluous.

      As far as your beating the Russian drums for Russians living in the Ukraine, they always have been unwanted there by the majority of the Ukrainian population. Ukraine has had a cosmopolitan population of many European nationalities and to name just a few they have Germans and Romanians and Slavic minorities all living there. As a matter of fact in WWII the Ukrainian people threw flowers and cheered on the invading Nazi storm troopers because they hated Stalin and his Government with a passion.

      And to further complicate the picture unlike you, many of the Russian people view the war as an obscenity and are against it. As causalities of Russian soldiers mount I look for even bigger demonstrations against Putin’s mad dog war there.

      • As a matter of fact in WWII the Ukrainian people threw flowers and cheered on the invading Nazi storm troopers because they hated Stalin and his Government with a passion.

        Gee, I wonder how much of that had to do with the Holodomor. Don’t have to be for or against either side to not give a shit about a corrupt failed state being invaded. The only reason Democrats care is because the DNC launders their Mafia money there.

    • “What would we do if China put weapons to in Mexico?”

      Weird how you’re dropping the exact same line every Russian bot does, huh?

      • ad lib, would that be verbatim, right down to the error with ‘in’ and ‘to’? If so then that little tid bit needs some exposure in the right places, wherever those might be.

    • You do realize that the “Russian speaking” Ukrainians were there to replace the Kulaks who Stalin murdered in the 30’s.

  7. It doesn’t matter what you think of either side one way or they other. This is not something that can be won with small arms. There is nothing SAF can do or those that might be willing to donate. Donations in this direction will likely get your bank account frozen by a foreign government. Our elected leaders need to forbid that but they won’t. It is good that they have the bravado to fight to that level but it IS their fight, not mine. The American government CAN help but they wont.

    For the SAF to make requests of people is absurd. This organization even being evolved is equally ridiculous. The SAF should stay in its lane.

  8. Ukraine might not have gun control laws as stringent as other European countries, but they are very restrictive:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_law_in_Ukraine

    A government that has to pass out rifles, or plywood cutouts of rifles to its citizens in hopes that they will defend their country is doomed. The previously disarmed citizens will not have time to learn how to competently employ them.

    Screw Ukraine!
    Go Putin!

    • “Go Putin!”

      There you have it, right wing conservatives’ unabashed full support of KGB Col. Vladimir Putin.

      We are witnessing the death of the patriotic Republican party of Abraham Lincoln, RIP

      • Democrats support the corrupt Ukraine oligarchs because that is where they launder their Mafi money.

      • https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10406919/amp/Ukraines-Dads-Army-train-fake-guns-Putins-100-000-strong-force-masses-border.html

        The 20th century saw more people systematically exterminated by their own governments than were killed by foreign invaders. Mao followed by Stalin then Hitler as a distant third were the worst offenders. We now have President Biden pledging his allegiance to the World Economic Forum organized by Klass Schwab. In his latest book, Schwab openly advocates that the population of the earth should be reduced to only half a billion people. American conservatives are smart enough to recognize the profound shift in the moral and political topography. We know who our real enemies are.

        • to Elmer Fudd

          The world is vastly overpopulated and the strain on its natural resources and food supply certainly shows it.

          The ever encroaching human population into wild areas that heretofore were sparse has also caused the spread of new pandemics as well because wild animals have spread new diseases among the human populations of the world.

          Controlling the explosion of the human population is nothing new and has been discussed decades ago by the worlds top scientists.

          In the past the overpopulation of humans was somewhat controlled by devastating pandemics like the Black Plague as well as war and famine. With the discovery of antibiotics and better medical care and advance life saving medical procedures the population has increased at alarming levels. The planet cannot sustain such a drain on its food supply and natural resources because they are finite.

        • Elmer, your attempts at disinformation are easily debunked.

          “In his latest book, Schwab openly advocates that the population of the earth should be reduced to only half a billion people“

          Once again a supposedly conservative American patriot is revealed to be a communist sympathizer supporting dictator Vladimir Putin‘s attacks on the United States president.

          “Fact Check-Depopulation quote has been misattributed to Klaus Schwab
          Reuters Fact Check

          A quote about depopulation has been misattributed to the founder and executive chairman of the World Economic Forum (WEF) Klaus Schwab.

          Social media posts (here , here) have shared an excerpt said to be taken from a book written by Schwab called ‘Covid-19: The Great Reset’ (here).

          The excerpt reads: “At least 4 billion ‘useless eaters’ shall be eliminated by the year 2050 by means of limited wars, organized epidemics of fatal rapid-acting diseases and starvation […]

          “The population of Canada, Western Europe and the United States will be decimated more rapidly than on other continents, until the world’s population reaches a manageable level of 1 billion, of which 500 million will consist of Chinese and Japanese races, selected because they are people who have been regimented for centuries and who are accustomed to obeying authority without question.”

          A search shows that the extract cannot be found in Schwab’s book (reparti.free.fr/schwab2020.pdf).

          It does, however, feature in a book by John Coleman (here) called ‘Conspirators’ Hierarchy: The Story of the Committee of 300.’

          The book claims to detail an organisation called ‘the committee of 300’, a supposedly “all powerful group” that controls every aspect of the world“

          Elmer, why do you post disinformation for Vladimir Putin, are you a paid operative or are you just turned on by his bare chested propaganda photos?

          I guess the lying liars just got a lie.

          https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSL2N2OB1JW

  9. Back to the original premise of this article and thread that was highjacked way back- American firearms owners supporting Ukrainian defenders with monetary donations:

    Understanding how business is conducted in that part of the world, I’d be leery of any donated money actually going towards the effort or reaching those in desperate need.

    No offense directed towards Alan G., who has had his moments occasionally, but my money and support will remain directed at American efforts. I have no problems offering my heart-felt thoughts and prayers, however, which, incidentally, we’re always ridiculed by the Hollywood Leftists when offered for victims of violence in this country. Now I see that’s exactly what Hippocrates like Babs Streisand and her ilk are now quick to “offer” to Ukrainian victims. Gotta love those phonies.

  10. There is evidence that the Russian soldiers are abandoning their weapons and armor and fleeing like little children.

    Here is a nice preowned BMP available, slightly used and available at a good price.

    Note, the new owner will need to clean up several pools of urine where the previous owners evacuated their bladders as they fled in terror.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FyuadiCbZbQ

  11. And today we have a two for one sale!

    We have a matched pair, consecutive serial numbers, T 80 MBT available, buy one get one free!

    Buy today, drive one away, don’t delay!
    (jumpstart may be required)

    Some assembly required, and the new owner may be need to remove Homosapien fecal matter from the commanders cupola.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MzoV2np3kZA

  12. Uh, yeah, NO!

    Not interested in donating my personal meager earnings to help them fix their nation’s constitutional malfunctions. Have plenty of that to get done right here at home.

    Absolutely want my country and all free nations to pour in weapons, ammunition, anti-tank and anti-air, all of it!

    Ukraine needs the sort of heavy weapons support that only nations can provide. I’ve no problem with the USA pulling what’s needed from our warehouses and depots and giving it to them as a gift, one free people to another.

    We can always (and should) make more!

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