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This week’s podcast clocks in at just over an hour, but it’s my very favorite kind to record. In it, I sit down with beloved TTAG writer, commenter, and all around outdoorsman Tom in Oregon to discuss hunting, the great outdoors, the economics of reloading 50 BMG, ladder tests, and a variety of other topics. Grab a cold one, kick back, and let Tom regale you with his vast knowledge.
Thanks for talking about reloading! It was quite enjoyable to listen while I uniformed some primer pockets.
Tom Tyler what about reloading for the 458 Socom and other wildcat cartridges? I do not reload because simply I’ve always been afraid of blowing up an expensive weapon or my face LOL. You guys have got me very interested now but I do have one round that I would like to be able to reload the 458 Socom I know a little bit about which powders there you using the h110 large pistol primers CCI number 350 and I believe it’s called Starline brass I’m trying to get load data for 300 grain ballistic tip and ttsx 300 grain bullets how much h110 should I be running as a base and as a maximum and I plan to hit somewhere around 10 to 15% Les the maximum. Just start with and then work it up until I get around a 2000 feet per second velocity. You fellas can hit me back at my email thanks fellas.
James,
One of those good news/bad news answers.
The good news- Noslers latest book shows 11 different powders for the .458 socom. They say H4227 produced the most accurate load (YMMV).
From what I read, the starting and stopping points, or minimum and maximum loads are only a few grains apart, so weigh each powder charge carefully.
The bad news- only one powder got close to 2,000 fps. That is with 45 grains of Reloader-7. It’s a compressed powder charge. Never a safe place to start.
I could not find written data in my books for using H110. (Very versatile powder by the way).
Online, I’m seeing loads from 29-34 grains using H110, and these don’t appear to be compressed loads. But it’s online. Not in a published manual.
I’ve only got Nosler and Hornady books for 2016.
I’ll be getting more published material soon as I just picked up a Ruger American in .458 socom and will want to roll my own for it.
I’ll tell Jon Wayne Taylor to swing by. He’s probably reloaded more .458 than anyone else I know.
The. 458SOCOM is a great round, but not for the beginner reloader.
As to your specific questions, using H110, 29.5 grains pushing a 300gr round will give you a fairly light (for the caliber) recoiling round that still kills deer and most pigs out to 100 yards.
I prefer a 350gr round nosed flat point Hornady round pushed by 32.5gr of H110. That is a stout load and if you don’t have a lot of experience watching for pressure signs I wouldn’t go near that. I have had sucessful pass throughs on pigs and the trees behind them. Not a joke.
COAL will be key, and without knowing your own rifle I can’t give you that.
If, as a beginner, you want to use this caliber, stick to published loads by Nosler and Teppu Jitsu.
Work up very carefully, and look for the longest COAL you can get to safely with your rifle.
I appreciate all the information. I’ve been building AR-15 Eugene Stoner platform rifles since 1983 but never picked up on the reloading part of it because I never saw the need with Surplus Ammo as cheap as it once was. And with these Wildcat cartridges finding load data is far and in between. I also have a buddy who reloads professionally for all the local ranges around my house and he’s a pretty good friend and has reloaded some 458 price for me in the past. Just not really sure if I want to bite into buying a couple thousand dollars worth of reloading equipment and then another thousand dollars worth of reloading brass primers bullets and powder to experiment with and case I don’t get it sort of speak. I would probably just go over and hang out with him and learn how to do it from him but it’s about a 45-minute drive from my house. And he also told me that the 458 Socom round was not for beginners to reload. I guess I’ll just spend some more time over at his shop seeing how everything is done and what the specific technical data that you have to record and the things you have to do to make sure the bullet is seated correctly the brass is in good shape for reloading and whatnot. Any news on when they’re going to approve this cartridge saami question mark question mark
Thank you very much fellas.
Black butterfly is loading ttsx bullet somehow to reach 2200 feet per second with 2000 foot pounds of energy and it doesn’t recoil bad at all it’s a 300 grain ttsx doing these velocities at the muzzle. They won’t come off of any load data I’ve already tried to approach them doesn’t surprise me. Looking forward to hearing back from you guys when you talk to your friend. Thanks again.
That’s very fast for the caliber. Any idea what action and barrel length?
I got my Barrel gas block flash suppressor Crush Washer all from Tony over at tromix the guy that design the barrel and the components for the AR-15 to actually fire the round that was designed by the Asian guy that someone listed his name here before. I’m using a 16 inch stainless steel I believe it’s 1 and 14 twist rate. And I’m using black butterfly they’re hog stopper round it’s got a ttsx bullet at 300 grains Going’s 2200 feet per second with 2000 foot pounds of energy at the muzzle. And because 458 Socom is loaded with Magnum pistol powder it only takes 11 inches of barrel to reach Max velocity anything over that is just stabilizing the bullet more. I haven’t shot this round over a chronograph yet but I plan to here in the near future and I’m also using the 300 grain black butterfly ballistic tip and I can’t remember Nosler makes one of the bullets and I can’t remember who makes the other one but I’m sure you guys that reload realize that the ballistic tip and the ttsx bullet with the blue polymer tip are both 300 grain the ballistic tip with the orange little nipple is claiming almost 1900 feet per second with like 1700 foot pounds of energy at the muzzle and the blue tipped ttsx bullet they claim is doing 2200 feet per second at the muzzle with 2000 foot pounds of energy at the muzzle. I’m running a national match Chrome Danielle young manufacturing bolt carrier group designed specifically for the 458 Socom and out of 200 rounds through the rifle I’ve not had one malfunction one failure to eject one failure to feed. Tony at tromix is a really nice guy and he hooked me up with a receiver upper receiver that had been modified for the 458 and it really really functions well I’m using a regular AR-15 M16 rifle length buffer and a wolf XP rifle length buffer spring and The Recoil is very minimal period I’m also using a Vortex sparc Red Dot and it seems to hold up quite well to The Recoil. It’s amazing when you’re at the range and you cap off a couple rounds people look at the brass that’s coming out of the side of it and it’s almost the size of 50 caliber brass just short like a little shrunken 50 cal brass they’re like my God man what are you shooting and I’m like here try it it’s a 458 Socom always get a kick out of it when they get to shoot it. And you really don’t have to shoot but 60 or 80 rounds to be thoroughly enjoyed it’s not like bringing an AR-15 out and having a dump two or three hundred rounds to have a good time the cartridges pretty much amazing I’m very impressed with it.
This is just a correction I had no failures to feed no failures to eject. no failures. With anything I purchased from Tony over at Tromix.
Not surprised. Good folks .
Is there any chance you can host the podcast on iTunes? I use iTunes to manage all of the other podcasts that I listen to, and it is pretty handy. Cheers.
See if this works for you?
https://itun.es/us/J8migb.c
I’m stationed near you in Fort Sam Houston and I’m looking to do a hog hunt. Can you recommend an outfit in the area that can point me in the right direction? I’ve shot plenty of deer but not hogs. I have my own firearms and night vision but I’m not set up to do meat processing either (small apartment kitchen). I figured if anyone you’d know where to look.
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