I don’t understand why anyone would want a semi-auto 9mm carbine. Unless it’s a submachinegun. But if it’s the size of carbine; why wouldn’t I want it in a rifle caliber? Oh. Not interested in a rifle caliber with a barrel length less than 18″. If I wanted a stun grenade to go off in my face I’d just pull the pin on one and wait a second.
Mark, I think you mean an MP5-SD. My old unit had a few in the arms room. They were very quiet, but because the weapon bled off gas to keep the 9mm round subsonic (all we had was NATO spec ammo) you were shooting 9mm Kurz ball ammo. Cool, but I’ll take a rifle, thanks.
does that mean the pressure relief created a .380 equivalency?
tsbhoa.p.jr, that is exactly what it means. It was a .380 ACP submachingun. Effective, in the ocular box, but nothing I really wanted. A little classroom. A little range time. A lot more time with am MP-5 after ETS. I like the weapon, but sub-sonic 9mm is a little weak.
My opinion is that pistol caliber carbines are fun to plink with and ammo is inexpensive.
Richard, all full auto stuff is fun to shoot. If you’re really lucky, you get paid to shoot someone else’s ammo through those weapons. Belt fed to the squirt guns. I didn’t make a lot of money, but I sure as shit had a lot of fun.
A sub-machine gun (SMG) is a kick in the ass to shoot. I got to shoot the Colt SMG which is 9mm and fire it full auto. That and the Mac 10, also in 9mm also were the only two sub-machine guns I’ve fired. I shot the Mac 10 quite a bit. I sure wish it was legal to own in Washington and cheap enough, but it’s not.
I gave all my gunms to a blue heron, no it was a crane, a whooping crane, it whooped about what a fool I was until it was out of earshot.
I did keep one gunm though. A double barreled shotgunm.
Was pretty mad about that crane deal, I was going to give it a couple warning blast but the wind blew the balcony out of the tree last night.
We have a healthy blue heron population here. I have seen a couple of white cranes paling around with the herons, so, I’ll ask around. Maybe one of them knows where your guns are.
Ruger PC9 is a good Quality carbine and the AR9 pistols are nice to have around for self defense weapons, small, compact, and more accurate than your standard Glock pistol. I also like the fact that all the mags will fit any of these platforms.
I’m too lazy to look it up but are not some 5.56 mm barrels over stabilized such that the bullets cant when they strike so there’s more tissue damage? But standard barrel twist rate gives better accuracy, but solid bullets will do much less damage. Or what’s the correct story here?
I can say that I’ve hit a lot of different media with long 6.5 mm and the bullet turns with incredible violence/ energy transfer. Does that imply longer (heavy) .223 bullets also turn? My 22-250 will push (hollow point) bullets fast enough they vaporize on contact with say an apple, which then disappears.
The Armed Scholar YouTube channel is announcing a new SCotUS decision that may be the first ‘shot across the bow’ of stomping flat federal government regulatory over-reach that could be huge good news for 2A rights :
It has to do with the Court killing the concept of “Chevron Deference”. He believes this has the potential of killing things like the ATF declaring bump stocks are machine guns.
This is actually a very good ruling, vacating a Trump administration cut to Medicare for low-income seniors.
“In a narrow and unanimous opinion on Wednesday, the court did not overturn the Chevron doctrine. Instead, it just ignored it. And in doing so, the court may have portended the future of Chevron, which already has been narrowed considerably over the years. Rather than a single, decisive blow or a continued death by a thousand cuts, the court might simply snuff out Chevron with the silent treatment.
More immediately, though, Wednesday’s ruling is a victory for safety-net hospitals trying to recoup $1.6 billion in annual Medicare payments after the Department of Health and Human Services cut reimbursements in 2018.
The cut applied to certain prescription drugs that hospitals provide in outpatient settings, and it applied only to hospitals that are eligible for a federal program known as the 340B Drug Pricing Program. Those hospitals generally serve a high proportion of low-income payments, and under federal law, they have the right to purchase drugs from pharmaceutical companies at reduced prices.“
Every left liberal/anti-gun person knows for a fact that a single 5.56 round or 9mm round has the destructive power of a ‘kajillion times infinity’ nuclear warheads and is the ultimate power in the universe surpassing even the power of God and just thinking about one of these rounds the most tiny bit will cause everyone in a whole city to explode instantly, and that the ‘big bang’ was really a 5.56 and 9mm round going off all by their selves because that’s what they do.
Yup. That’s like armagedon!!! Or a Democrat’s wet dream!
Yes, but does it have a thing that goes up?
You mean a BUS?
He meant a “shoulder thing that goes up”. You know, a barrel shroud.
https://youtu.be/WhNkIsP59pM
and the answer is it can if you want it to 😉
Yes, I know, just making a joke.
Now, a .9mm AR, one is terrified at the thought.
The .9 mil will vaporize a human target from space.
.9mm only blows yer appendix out. Completely different. You’re thinking .45 Assault Cartridge Pistola.
My 9mm AR used to have a bump stock on it. Really makes a lib’s head explode just thinking about it.
*laughs in forced reset.
Come on man pride month (bi)nary
alas
all the wasted years
using .308 and .30-30 and .30-06 on deer
when we could have been using the 9mm
To much bloodshot meat when you use a 9mm.
… if you can even find what’s left of the deer. Probably just a purple mist.
Red mist with JHP.
Supernova with +P.
Most adults these days, especially the younger ones, could be decapitated without any loss of mental acuity.
^This^
I don’t understand why anyone would want a semi-auto 9mm carbine. Unless it’s a submachinegun. But if it’s the size of carbine; why wouldn’t I want it in a rifle caliber? Oh. Not interested in a rifle caliber with a barrel length less than 18″. If I wanted a stun grenade to go off in my face I’d just pull the pin on one and wait a second.
I’d settle for an integrally suppressed MP-5.
👍
“I’d settle for an integrally suppressed MP-5.”
About $35,000, Mark, in a state where you can legally possesses one.
Keep buying those lottery tickets, and stay out of the Tenderloin in San Fran…
https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2022/06/16/the_criminal_order_beneath_the_chaos_of_san_franciscos_tenderloin_836918.html
EDIT –
Church shooting in Alabama, one killed and 2 wounded, suspect in custody :
https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/16/us/alabama-vestavia-hills-church-shooting/index.html
Mark, I think you mean an MP5-SD. My old unit had a few in the arms room. They were very quiet, but because the weapon bled off gas to keep the 9mm round subsonic (all we had was NATO spec ammo) you were shooting 9mm Kurz ball ammo. Cool, but I’ll take a rifle, thanks.
does that mean the pressure relief created a .380 equivalency?
tsbhoa.p.jr, that is exactly what it means. It was a .380 ACP submachingun. Effective, in the ocular box, but nothing I really wanted. A little classroom. A little range time. A lot more time with am MP-5 after ETS. I like the weapon, but sub-sonic 9mm is a little weak.
My opinion is that pistol caliber carbines are fun to plink with and ammo is inexpensive.
SMG are a different kind of fun.
Richard, all full auto stuff is fun to shoot. If you’re really lucky, you get paid to shoot someone else’s ammo through those weapons. Belt fed to the squirt guns. I didn’t make a lot of money, but I sure as shit had a lot of fun.
Of course I’m awaiting moderation. Why not?
A sub-machine gun (SMG) is a kick in the ass to shoot. I got to shoot the Colt SMG which is 9mm and fire it full auto. That and the Mac 10, also in 9mm also were the only two sub-machine guns I’ve fired. I shot the Mac 10 quite a bit. I sure wish it was legal to own in Washington and cheap enough, but it’s not.
I gave all my gunms to a blue heron, no it was a crane, a whooping crane, it whooped about what a fool I was until it was out of earshot.
I did keep one gunm though. A double barreled shotgunm.
Was pretty mad about that crane deal, I was going to give it a couple warning blast but the wind blew the balcony out of the tree last night.
Possum,
We have a healthy blue heron population here. I have seen a couple of white cranes paling around with the herons, so, I’ll ask around. Maybe one of them knows where your guns are.
Always glad to help
Thanx.
Road kills on me buddy.
Absolute must to have a AR/9 pistol and carbine.
Some interesting perspectives on Pistol Caliber Carbines:
Ruger PC9 is a good Quality carbine and the AR9 pistols are nice to have around for self defense weapons, small, compact, and more accurate than your standard Glock pistol. I also like the fact that all the mags will fit any of these platforms.
I’m too lazy to look it up but are not some 5.56 mm barrels over stabilized such that the bullets cant when they strike so there’s more tissue damage? But standard barrel twist rate gives better accuracy, but solid bullets will do much less damage. Or what’s the correct story here?
I can say that I’ve hit a lot of different media with long 6.5 mm and the bullet turns with incredible violence/ energy transfer. Does that imply longer (heavy) .223 bullets also turn? My 22-250 will push (hollow point) bullets fast enough they vaporize on contact with say an apple, which then disappears.
Potentially *massive* good ‘BREAKING NEWS’ :
The Armed Scholar YouTube channel is announcing a new SCotUS decision that may be the first ‘shot across the bow’ of stomping flat federal government regulatory over-reach that could be huge good news for 2A rights :
It has to do with the Court killing the concept of “Chevron Deference”. He believes this has the potential of killing things like the ATF declaring bump stocks are machine guns.
From what I recall, ATF has asked judges to explicitly NOT use Chevron Deference in the various federal bump stock cases.
https://nclalegal.org/2021/08/ncla-asks-supreme-court-to-decide-three-chevron-deference-questions-atfs-bump-stock-ban-poses/
What’s really terrible is that even though ATF declined use of Chevron, the judges applied Chevron in their ruling!
This is actually a very good ruling, vacating a Trump administration cut to Medicare for low-income seniors.
“In a narrow and unanimous opinion on Wednesday, the court did not overturn the Chevron doctrine. Instead, it just ignored it. And in doing so, the court may have portended the future of Chevron, which already has been narrowed considerably over the years. Rather than a single, decisive blow or a continued death by a thousand cuts, the court might simply snuff out Chevron with the silent treatment.
More immediately, though, Wednesday’s ruling is a victory for safety-net hospitals trying to recoup $1.6 billion in annual Medicare payments after the Department of Health and Human Services cut reimbursements in 2018.
The cut applied to certain prescription drugs that hospitals provide in outpatient settings, and it applied only to hospitals that are eligible for a federal program known as the 340B Drug Pricing Program. Those hospitals generally serve a high proportion of low-income payments, and under federal law, they have the right to purchase drugs from pharmaceutical companies at reduced prices.“
https://www.scotusblog.com/2022/06/in-an-opinion-that-shuns-chevron-the-court-rejects-a-medicare-cut-for-hospital-drugs/
Every left liberal/anti-gun person knows for a fact that a single 5.56 round or 9mm round has the destructive power of a ‘kajillion times infinity’ nuclear warheads and is the ultimate power in the universe surpassing even the power of God and just thinking about one of these rounds the most tiny bit will cause everyone in a whole city to explode instantly, and that the ‘big bang’ was really a 5.56 and 9mm round going off all by their selves because that’s what they do.